Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [28th - 29th August 2021]

So he does have a gameplay then. The randomness of everything is a game plan in itself. ;)

Gary Neville put up an insightful stat that showed Ole's and Klopp's win percentage and stats were basically the same for their first 150 odd games in charge which I would argue is an interesting stat. He cannot be that bad.

We do have a gameplay when we play against teams that want to play football. It all goes out the window when we play teams that defend and counter.
 
Shamikebab said:
Sancho has played just as much on the left as the right. Have you and Adam never watched him play?
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Truth is any world class player should be able to beat a man or two in 70+ minutes of football whether he plays right left or center.

It just seems that players will run at and beat our defenders, but our attackers rarely seem to notice that and just pass it back to bissaka or Shaw snd expect them to run 70 yards and get beyond them, cross it in and run back again.
 
Calpol said:
OGS plays not to lose, masquerading as the United way. It's all about results and his win ratio is actually pretty good vs the recent Man United managers. He however hasn't really got a coached style of play like Pep or Klopp, preferring to rely on inspirational players and application. I think he is limited but he's seldom been humbled. Last years defeat to Spurs was a pivotal moment and he's seldom trusted Pogba in CM since. Of course that neuters you as an offensive side because Fred is crap and McSauce is limited also. There is no style, pattern or philosophy other than "it's Man United" and for the most part Ole ball is actually quite turgid, similar to Fergie's last couple of seasons, LvG and Mourinho. The plan seems to be - buy as many good players as you can and one of them will bail you out-hence return of the prodigal son.
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Thats actually not right at all - there are numerous games that Ole could have stacked the midfield so as "not to lose" but thats not what he wants at all.

He wants to go out and win every game, even if it doesnt come off.

I dont think you can blame Ole for "turgid" tactics - we just dont have a particularly good CM at all which doesnt help. The natural pace of the team is slowed down by the midfield and generally having two average midfielders - rather than one decent DM.

I think McTominay will turn into a reasonable /decent box to box player within a few years as long as injuries dont affect him too badly, but Fred is an average EPL player at his best (and I think Pep would already have sold him if he had ended up at City. Im still not convinced by Pogba - on his day he can be unplayable, but so often he is below 5 out of 10 , he either cant be bothered or has already given up and waiting for RM. Even in the first half yesterday his passing was continually going astray. Its not all his fault, by any means - but in the last 5 or so years there have been too many times where he has been invisible.


I dont have any idea whats gone on between Ole and vdb - but there has to be something
 
Re Pogba.

It was a foul. However, rightly or wrongly I'm glad it wasn't given, simply for Neves' totally ridiculous reaction. He obviously wasn't hurt, thought about running after the ball, saw it was lost, wondered if the ref was nearby and might have seen it, then took a stupid dive hoping it would force the ref to blow the whistle. Its farcical.
 
adam cool dude said:
So he does have a gameplay then. The randomness of everything is a game plan in itself. ;)

Gary Neville put up an insightful stat that showed Ole's and Klopp's win percentage and stats were basically the same for their first 150 odd games in charge which I would argue is an interesting stat. He cannot be that bad.

We do have a gameplay when we play against teams that want to play football. It all goes out the window when we play teams that defend and counter.
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To be fair Klopp had a really bad squad when he first arrived. They finished 6th the season before he arrived and finished 8th in his first, he took a couple of season to really kick start going and improving players and the squad. How many of the United players in this couple of seasons can you honestly say that Ole has improved?
 
Jono8 said:
Re Pogba.

It was a foul. However, rightly or wrongly I'm glad it wasn't given, simply for Neves' totally ridiculous reaction. He obviously wasn't hurt, thought about running after the ball, saw it was lost, wondered if the ref was nearby and might have seen it, then took a stupid dive hoping it would force the ref to blow the whistle. Its farcical.
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I've taken a heavy challenge before when playing and not felt it immediately. I think it's a bit harsh to have it down as diving particularly with the sound that accompanied the tackle.
 
omnomnom said:
How is this relevant?
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Tis not. Both were fouls. We were lucky it wasn't brought back. If he would have gone down howling there was a reasonable chance Pogba would have been sent off despite the tackle glancing off his shinpad. I have had plenty of tackles like that in my youth and they don't hurt but professional footballers scream bloody murder when they are barely touched.
 
ThestigGT999 said:
as Fez said both are fouls in the same game (same ref obviously) and involving the same player Ruben Neves
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Did Neves get pulled up for it on Fernandes? I'm pretty sure the only reason Pogba wasn't penalised is because Neves didn't react at all for a few seconds before his football brain kicked in and told him he had been mortally wounded. By that time the ref had dismissed it.
 
fez said:
Did Neves get pulled up for it on Fernandes? I'm pretty sure the only reason Pogba wasn't penalised is because Neves didn't react at all for a few seconds before his football brain kicked in and told him he had been mortally wounded. By that time the ref had dismissed it.
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Dean played advantage didn't he?

Unless it was another occasion, Fernandes stayed down screaming didn't he? Ball was put out when Wolves had it near your box.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Dean played advantage didn't he?

Unless it was another occasion, Fernandes stayed down screaming didn't he? Ball was put out when Wolves had it near your box.
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No idea, didn't watch the game. I've just seen the Pogba tackle before the goal. Either way, two wrongs don't make a right and we got lucky.
 
ThestigGT999 said:
as Fez said both are fouls in the same game (same ref obviously) and involving the same player Ruben Neves
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I must have missed the bit where Wolves scored immediately after and VAR decided it wasn't a clear error.

AND Dean played advantage, so actually called it a foul. If anything, that clip shows how lucky it was that the goal stood and how inconsistent the ref was, in the same game, involving the same player.
 
inogen said:
I must have missed the bit where Wolves scored immediately after and VAR decided it wasn't a clear error.

AND Dean played advantage, so actually called it a foul. If anything, that clip shows how lucky it was that the goal stood and how inconsistent the ref was, in the same game, involving the same player.
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the point is people said pogba challenge on neves was a leg breaker / redcard etc but heres the same energy for the neves foul on bruno
 
ThestigGT999 said:
the point is people said pogba challenge on neves was a leg breaker / redcard etc but heres the same energy for the neves foul on bruno
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That's just deflection from the point that the goal shouldn't have stood.

No-one broke anyone's legs so that whole leg breaker thing is largely irrelevant. Both were fouls, I think you'd have to be unhinged to think otherwise.

It's the first major VAR failure of the season.
 
Robbo said:
After the Bruno one last weekend.
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Hmmm. That's not in the same ball park as clear a foul. Ref might have given it, didn't. Probably would have been considered as soft if he did. I think even last season it would be 50/50 if VAR got involved in that. No-one would have noticed it if Soton hadn't have scored.

This one on the other hand... In pre-VAR days, it might have got retrospective sanction. I certainly think it would have been looked at by the panel.
 
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