Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Apr - 2nd May 2021]
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Makes it easier for Liverpool in the hunt for top 4 as I can't see United putting any of the better players out.
Hopefully in the close season they come up with some better punishments for this sort of thing from fans other than meaningless fines. Same with Liverpool repeat attacking coaches and criminal damage. All that stuff goes away with proper points penalties, all clubs have their share of ****s but you can bet they would self police better if it meant a 3 point deduction.
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Its like most security, in order to be safe and sure that you are safe, the precautions you have to take are ridiculous and probably not worth the cost. You would have to protect the route from the hotels to the stadium and keep roads closed etc. You would have to to have serious serious security at the gates and not let people near the stadium until the teams were in.
Unless we want this sort of overreaction we just have to accept that occasionally fans with act like complete ***** and should be punished fully when they do. If fans start doing it tactically to get an advantage for their team then you might have to look at it again but all the incidents I can think of are fans venting or just being yobs without a plan.
3 away games in 6 days doesn't help Liverpool. This goes away with the punishment of a forfeit is actually put in place. They have the power to do it but they wont because of Sky etc.
After the initial break in fans found another entrance with the door open. This was a planned and public protest...the idea that you wouldnt put in additional security is frankly stupid. This isnt the first time United have had a game postponed due to security issues either.
At what point do they start punishing clubs for issues like this?
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I would fine the club. The only other option is to dock points but you can't really forfeit games as that gives an unfair advantage to any team they are playing. Imagine if the game was cancelled and 3-0 to Liverpool was put down and that got them CL over another team. Thats worth 10s of millions.
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I'd expect after they start punishing attacks on opposition teams busses more seriously.
That's a fair point but then Liverpool could argue that 5 games in 15 day of which 3 aways have been squeezed in in 6 days is unfair to them. There's no way a decision could have been made without something being unfair but at the end of the day, as per the laws of the game they all sign up to, forfeiting was an option.
I'd expect after they start punishing attacks on opposition teams busses more seriously.
How are they related? One a window was smashed the other was a break in to the stadium, an officer almost losing the sight in his eye after having bottles thrown at him, theft, some more fights with the police and the abandonment of a premier league game. I reckon every club in the premier has had their coach attacked by rival fans, you constantly bringing it up is bizarre.
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I guess its a question of which is least unfair.
Giving 3 points to a team is probably far more unfair than requiring them to have another game shoehorned in to a packed schedule. Its probably hard to say unless its a case by case basis.
Yes but my point is its Liverpool who are going to be punished by squeezing that game in. Thankfully the middle of the 6 is West Brom and youd hope they can win that in first gear but for me it looks like Liverpool have been punished.
I actually think the fans will turn up again to be honest. Not to the break in the stadium but to block the bus etc. Can you imagine the coverage they'd get? If they did and again it was abandoned then what...3 games in 3 days
when it's a different club
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One directly affected safety and mental state of players and coaching stuff just before the game, the other postponed a game while players were comfy in their hotel.
Or, possibly, it's perfectly reasonable to not dock points or forfeit games in this situation and you are the one being unreasonable and letting your tribalism get the better of you...
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It does if Manu field an incredibly weak team because the top 4 place is safe. But yeah I get how hard it is for them to work out, if they gave Liverpool 3 points it's not really fair on West ham or another challenger. I'd be happy if they deducted United points but that still doesn't cure the game needing to be played. I have no idea what they do for the best outcome. After all the players don't deserve to lose points based on the fans, how do you hurt the people concerned the most? All the TV money from the game to Liverpool?
Why does it have to be fair? if a particular clubs fans get a match abandoned then surely there should be repercussions to stop it happening again? is it fair on Liverpool if United have players back from injury or suspension for the re-arranged fixture? or if Liverpool have more injuries and suspensions for it? what if Liverpool needed a point to win the title or finish top four? how can it be fair to just deduct points from United and not award them the win? how can it be fair to allow the behaviour of United fans to disadvantage them in any way?
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It's nothing to do with tribalism. What is being out forward isn't remotely fair to Liverpool. It's as simple as that. They didn't smash the place up and get a game abandoned. Why should Liverpool have to play 3 away games in 6 days because of the actions of United fans?
You simply cant answer that question.
They could have won the league and it isnt relevant. You cant look at it like that. I dont understand why people are saying "It would be unfair to West Ham" but then are seemingly ok with what has been decided which is unfair to Liverpool. Ive been accused of tribalism, if anything its the other way round.
lol. One game was played. The other was abandoned with people being hurt. They were trying to attack the media for gods sake...not only are they not comparable it isnt relevant.
This is the second game in recent history United have had a game abandoned due to security issues but hey, no bother.
Course not. It's pure coincidence that your opinion on everything is the same as you would form if you were an utterly one-eyed and rabidly anti-United Liverpool fan.
AHH so you've been down the 9 odd posts of mine then?
If you wanna explain how this is fair go ahead.
Eh?
Fair? Every season dozens of matches get re-arranged for a myriad of reasons. Sometimes it's not fair, stop bleating about it.
Both teams are disadvantaged in this case. Sometimes you get a situation where one team has had a massive rest and the other hasn't. Sometimes it's annoying. You don't generally get people throwing quite such a tantrum about it though.
Rearranged because sky not because of a bunch of gormless morons trashing the place. I'm pretty sure I can post what I like...on your way.
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Also why should United have to be punished because of some fans? It is not the club's fault what happened.
The only real thing that can come out of this is police sentencing and bans to the individuals.
Both Liverpool and United are dead rubber anyway. Liverpool is going to Europa and United is almost guaranteed top 4. Hell if they win Europa they will have a better seed anyway so top 4 will be irrelevant.
The only real thing that can come out of this is police sentencing and bans to the individuals.
Both Liverpool and United are dead rubber anyway. Liverpool is going to Europa and United is almost guaranteed top 4. Hell if they win Europa they will have a better seed anyway so top 4 will be irrelevant.