Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [6th - 8th Feb 2021]

Neither of them had done anything to warrant being in the discussion for YPOTY at that point (Jones had 7 starts, Foden 5). Foden has picked up a little bit, and will likely win it if man city win the title, but other players have had more impressive seasons so far imo: Justin, Saka, Barnes (my Leicester bias is showing :p)
What about Jessie Lingard :confused:

All this talk, stops the talk about how dire Spurs :(
 
Neither of them had done anything to warrant being in the discussion for YPOTY at that point (Jones had 7 starts, Foden 5). Foden has picked up a little bit, and will likely win it if man city win the title, but other players have had more impressive seasons so far imo: Justin, Saka, Barnes (my Leicester bias is showing :p)

Justin and Saka have been great but i was comparing the two and at that time Jones was having a better season. Liverpool were top and even the guy compaigning for Foden was himself questioning his ability in July of last year.
 
Leeds v Palace today, I'm hoping the Leeds performance is on a par with the Everton game, I also hope the players have better footwear on as they were slipping all over on the new pitch.
 
Justin and Saka have been great but i was comparing the two and at that time Jones was having a better season. Liverpool were top and even the guy compaigning for Foden was himself questioning his ability in July of last year.

Lols. If you were referring to my post saying "is this Foden lad that special?" it was indeed taking the **** out of someone who indeed said that, the lad, despite his lack of opportunities has looked brilliant ever since England u17 won their tournament. Everyone with a football brain knows he will be the future for England, that wasn't just something that came out of the woodwork on Dec 31st.

Funnily enough it was when he had a cracking game when they spanked you last season.
 
So Soucek's red card has been overturned too. Presumably Dean will be facing disciplinary action after two screwups in a week now, especially after looking at them for minutes on the monitor? No, of course he won't.
 
So Soucek's red card has been overturned too. Presumably Dean will be facing disciplinary action after two screwups in a week now, especially after looking at them for minutes on the monitor? No, of course he won't.


Im actually surprised by this. I fully expected them to back him.
 
I'm not sure if we're just noticing it more because of VAR and or whether VAR is over complicating things but there definitely appears to be a decline in the standard of officiating in the last couple of seasons.

Dale Johnson has gone over the Soucek red card in his weekly VAR thread. Everybody, including Dean, has looked at that incident in real time and can see it wasn't violent conduct but Mason using slow motion replays has spotted Soucek's fist appear clenched (or he's just closed his hand) and got so focused on that, that he's convinced himself and then Mike Dean that it was violent conduct. If we're going to persist with VAR then they should scrap slow motion replays. We were told that VAR was only going to be used for penalties, red cards & fouls in the build-up to a goal if a clear error has been made. If a clear error has been made then it should be spotted watching the replay in full speed, not using super slow motion replays, searching for a reason why they should make a decision.

As for holding officials to account. It's very difficult to do because of how few officials we have and the standard of them. IINM David Coote is the most recent official to be promoted to the PL and he's proven to be the worst official going. I'm not sure it benefits anybody to relegate Mason & Dean, only to end up having worse officials replace them. There needs to be a sensible conversation around the whole situation because at the moment we're in a vicious cycle with officials receiving terrible abuse (Dean has asked not to be involved next week due to death threats made to his family), leading to less people wanting to become officials, which in turn lowers the standard of officials, leading to more abuse.

I know there's been a few comments in the red card thread as to whether officials should be mic'd up and I think they absolutely should be. If we could hear what officials are saying then it will much easier for fans to understand why decisions have been made and hopefully lead to less abuse. It will also hold officials to account because at the moment I certainly feel like officials and the pgmol are making up excuses after the event to suit whatever decision the official has made. I've mentioned the John Moss incidents in the Liverpool - Spurs game from 3-4 years ago a few times before - Sky's cameras picked up Moss's conversation with the lino where he tried to ask the 4th official whether he'd seen anything on the pitch side monitor (this was pre var) before openly guessing to award a penalty. If he was mic'd up this wouldn't have happened. I also think that officials should give an interview after the game to explain any key decisions but it has to be done in a grown up way, not with Geoff Shreeves trying to trip them up and cause controversy.
 
I'm not sure if we're just noticing it more because of VAR and or whether VAR is over complicating things but there definitely appears to be a decline in the standard of officiating in the last couple of seasons.

Dale Johnson has gone over the Soucek red card in his weekly VAR thread. Everybody, including Dean, has looked at that incident in real time and can see it wasn't violent conduct but Mason using slow motion replays has spotted Soucek's fist appear clenched (or he's just closed his hand) and got so focused on that, that he's convinced himself and then Mike Dean that it was violent conduct. If we're going to persist with VAR then they should scrap slow motion replays. We were told that VAR was only going to be used for penalties, red cards & fouls in the build-up to a goal if a clear error has been made. If a clear error has been made then it should be spotted watching the replay in full speed, not using super slow motion replays, searching for a reason why they should make a decision.

As for holding officials to account. It's very difficult to do because of how few officials we have and the standard of them. IINM David Coote is the most recent official to be promoted to the PL and he's proven to be the worst official going. I'm not sure it benefits anybody to relegate Mason & Dean, only to end up having worse officials replace them. There needs to be a sensible conversation around the whole situation because at the moment we're in a vicious cycle with officials receiving terrible abuse (Dean has asked not to be involved next week due to death threats made to his family), leading to less people wanting to become officials, which in turn lowers the standard of officials, leading to more abuse.

I know there's been a few comments in the red card thread as to whether officials should be mic'd up and I think they absolutely should be. If we could hear what officials are saying then it will much easier for fans to understand why decisions have been made and hopefully lead to less abuse. It will also hold officials to account because at the moment I certainly feel like officials and the pgmol are making up excuses after the event to suit whatever decision the official has made. I've mentioned the John Moss incidents in the Liverpool - Spurs game from 3-4 years ago a few times before - Sky's cameras picked up Moss's conversation with the lino where he tried to ask the 4th official whether he'd seen anything on the pitch side monitor (this was pre var) before openly guessing to award a penalty. If he was mic'd up this wouldn't have happened. I also think that officials should give an interview after the game to explain any key decisions but it has to be done in a grown up way, not with Geoff Shreeves trying to trip them up and cause controversy.

You arent allowed to use slow motion replays in instances like this anyway so thats already a thing
 
You arent allowed to use slow motion replays in instances like this anyway so thats already a thing

That was part of the complaint against Dean wasn't it? That he was using VAR outside of the 'rules of engagement' in order to make the decision
 
You arent allowed to use slow motion replays in instances like this anyway so thats already a thing
Are you sure about that? The PL's own website states:
Every Premier League fixture has a Video Assistant Referee (VAR), a qualified referee who watches the match via a number of screens and can view slow-motion replays, enabling them to advise the on-field referee.

edit:

Dean's clearly watching a slow motion replay of the Soucek red card incident here.
 
As you say Baz all this type of stuff could be nipped in the bud after the game if there was a grown up conversation between the Interviewer and Ref. Ref explains their thinking for any decisions they get asked about. Backed up by VAR and ref's mic'd up should lead to ever increasing improvements. The grown up conversation is the challenge as you said.

I still think part of the problem is people don't like some of the rules which is a different story.
 
Are you sure about that? The PL's own website states:


edit:

Dean's clearly watching a slow motion replay of the Soucek red card incident here.


Yea


International Football Association Board | IFAB (theifab.com)

The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if it was a handball offence

The "in general" part gets him off the hook here i guess.
 
Yea


International Football Association Board | IFAB (theifab.com)

The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if it was a handball offence

The "in general" part gets him off the hook here i guess.

Which makes perfect sense because that incident where the player looks around, takes 3 seconds to plant his elbow perfectly in the other guys face actually took place over 1/4 of a second.

The worst ones are usually tackles where they seem super late but they are just a split second late.
 
They should just scrap VAR except for absolute 100% blatantly obvious howlers, in terms of getting rid of controversy which is what it was brought in for it's totally failed it just shifts responsiblity for a bad decision from the referee to some bloke looking at a screen with various angles and when it's the latter you can't dismiss bad decisions as the referee just not seeing something properly, it's something closer to match fixing. Maybe have a system where the VAR guy can only overrule the referee in cases of obvious indisputable errors and get rid of the lines on offsides as well it's embarrassing the lengths they go to to get them right when VAR utterly fails in so many other ways, if they can't see by eye that the linesman has made a blunder then they don't intervene. The problem now is they're involving themselves in decisions which are disputable even after detailed examination.
 
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