Greenlizard0 PL & FA Cup SF Football Thread ** spoilers ** [21st - 23rd April 2023]

So you mean breeching FFP limits too?

Our spending power has always been on the drip financed. We tried to keep up with their spending but there is no money left now. We don't need to breach any FFP limits as we have legitimate revenue. We just need the money to spend instead of going into Glazer's back pockets. We are easily the biggest club brand in this country despite what everyone wants to kid themselves into believing.
 
Our spending power has always been on the drip financed. We tried to keep up with their spending but there is no money left now. We don't need to breach any FFP limits as we have legitimate revenue. We just need the money to spend instead of going into Glazer's back pockets. We are easily the biggest club brand in this country despite what everyone wants to kid themselves into believing.
Just the quarter of a bil spent in the summer, that's a big drip.

Easily? I wouldnt say that.
 
Our spending power has always been on the drip financed. We tried to keep up with their spending but there is no money left now. We don't need to breach any FFP limits as we have legitimate revenue. We just need the money to spend instead of going into Glazer's back pockets. We are easily the biggest club brand in this country despite what everyone wants to kid themselves into believing.
You said you wanted to match city's spending. If they've breeched FFP the only way to match it is to do the same. Otherwise whatever legitimate streams you think you have, if they are being creative with the books they will just create a little harder to make sure they outdo you (again).
 
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Man Utd haven't even had a full season of ETH. Pep is 7 years down the line and Arteta is in his 4th season.
And what does that have to do with my post? I was responding to somebody claiming Utd are as good as anybody around when their first 11 are available. You giving reasons why they aren't doesn't contradict my argument that they aren't as good as anybody around.

edit: and on the point of Utd's spending and finances. Adam doesn't like to accept it but Utd have been spending just as much as City for a long time now and Utd are either going to have to fairly significantly increase revenues or cut back on spending to meet UEFA's new FFP regs. For those that aren't aware, teams no longer just have to breakeven (well kind of) but will only be able to spend a certain percentage of revenue (+ profit on player sales) on wages and transfer fee amortisation. Next season you'll be able to spend 90% of revenue, then 80% and then finally it drops to 70%. Using Utd's last set of full accounts as an example, Utd's wage and transfer fee amortisation was 89% of revenue and profit on player sales.
 
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And what does that have to do with my post? I was responding to somebody claiming Utd are as good as anybody around when their first 11 are available. You giving reasons why they aren't doesn't contradict my argument that they aren't as good as anybody around.

No I think a United fit first 11 could compete. We have already beaten Arsenal, Liverpool and City in the early part of the season but the squad isn't fleshed out enough to go the whole way. It is pretty obvious our team is completely gassed compared to how it was a couple of months back.
 
No I think a United fit first 11 could compete. We have already beaten Arsenal, Liverpool and City in the early part of the season but the squad isn't fleshed out enough to go the whole way. It is pretty obvious our team is completely gassed compared to how it was a couple of months back.
Ok well as I originally said, using one off games counts for very little unless you think Brentford are as good as anybody around too. I don't think it's particularly controversial to say that Utd's first 11 is not nearly as good as City's. It's more than just City's depth that is the difference between you and them.
 
Ok well as I originally said, using one off games counts for very little unless you think Brentford are as good as anybody around too. I don't think it's particularly controversial to say that Utd's first 11 is not nearly as good as City's. It's more than just City's depth that is the difference between you and them.

It is no myth why City start slow and finish strong and it has got nothing to do with their starting eleven but more the other squads are a lot fitter at the beginning of the season then when City come into the business end of the season their deep squad really comes into it.

John Stones has played 25 games this season, Ake 36, Mahrez 38, Diaz 35 just a few examples.

Martinez has played 45, Rashford 49, Bruno 50, Casemiro 42 and he has been banned for 7!
 
Hes an odd one. He leads by example so much of a time from an effort standpoint but he is whingy and doesn't put the team above his emotions when he needs to. Liverpool game is a good example of this. He has a resting whinge face somewhat like Gabriel Jesus so he always looks like hes having a whinge when perhaps he isn't which doesn't help.



Nah, we have a paper thin squad in loads of places.

No good cover at CB
No cover for Casemiro
No right winger apart from Antony.
No out and out striker for when Martial is injured 75% of the season.

You can't challenge on 4 fronts when you don't have remotely good cover for 5 positions and you don't have a proper striker who is consistent and available most of the season.
Totally agree on Fernandes. As a Utd player love him, I think the only reason he stopped tracking back Vs Brighton is he just had run out of energy, but don't think the constant whining helps anyone.

So as I say this is where I was mistaken regarding team quality

CBs Maguire is great for England and I thought he would bounce back. So I had thought we had 3 excellent centre backs with a 4th Lindelof who is probably up there with most teams 3rd. Unfortunately it wasn't been a one off poor season, Maguire cannot play in this system with De Gea behind him. I think he would be still be good in a high line with a goalkeeper who steps out of his 6 yard box, but I think he should go this summer it's a waste for Maguire and a waste for Utd.

Yep DM no cover. Right wing was hoping to see more of Amad and Pellestri. Sancho has played there to good effect for Dortmund. Obviously Amad is on loan and that's going well. Pellestri hasn't had many minutes though have liked what I have seen. Sancho hasn't happened for him this year.

Striker agree no good cover.

So my thinking was we still needed a striker and backup DM, but elsewhere we would be okay, obviously we weren't, and both luck (injuries to Eriksen, van see beek. Casemiro getting those red cards he was accumulating at real madrid), and poor performance has mean that the first 11 have had to play far too much.

However we have had good season. 1 cup win, FA cup final to play, deep run in the Europa League (albeit the collapse and second leg against Sevilla were shocking), and we are 6 points clear of 5th with 8 games to go.

Have the performances been good enough no, were 20 goals light and have had too many hammerings. So lot of improvement needed, given Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham are all likely to improve next year, and who knows what Newcastle will do in the transfer market.
 
It is no myth why City start slow and finish strong and it has got nothing to do with their starting eleven but more the other squads are a lot fitter at the beginning of the season then when City come into the business end of the season their deep squad really comes into it.

John Stones has played 25 games this season, Ake 36, Mahrez 38, Diaz 35 just a few examples.

Martinez has played 45, Rashford 49, Bruno 50, Casemiro 42 and he has been banned for 7!
But City were well ahead of Utd earlier in the season too Adam :confused: And I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with those stats? AWB's made 26 appearances, Sancho 31 and Antony 36, compared to 45 for Rodri, 45 for Bernardo & 42 Gundugon. Again, I'm not sure the point of these stats but anyway.
 
Totally agree on Fernandes. As a Utd player love him, I think the only reason he stopped tracking back Vs Brighton is he just had run out of energy, but don't think the constant whining helps anyone.

So as I say this is where I was mistaken regarding team quality

CBs Maguire is great for England and I thought he would bounce back. So I had thought we had 3 excellent centre backs with a 4th Lindelof who is probably up there with most teams 3rd. Unfortunately it wasn't been a one off poor season, Maguire cannot play in this system with De Gea behind him. I think he would be still be good in a high line with a goalkeeper who steps out of his 6 yard box, but I think he should go this summer it's a waste for Maguire and a waste for Utd.

Yep DM no cover. Right wing was hoping to see more of Amad and Pellestri. Sancho has played there to good effect for Dortmund. Obviously Amad is on loan and that's going well. Pellestri hasn't had many minutes though have liked what I have seen. Sancho hasn't happened for him this year.

Striker agree no good cover.

So my thinking was we still needed a striker and backup DM, but elsewhere we would be okay, obviously we weren't, and both luck (injuries to Eriksen, van see beek. Casemiro getting those red cards he was accumulating at real madrid), and poor performance has mean that the first 11 have had to play far too much.

However we have had good season. 1 cup win, FA cup final to play, deep run in the Europa League (albeit the collapse and second leg against Sevilla were shocking), and we are 6 points clear of 5th with 8 games to go.

Have the performances been good enough no, were 20 goals light and have had too many hammerings. So lot of improvement needed, given Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham are all likely to improve next year, and who knows what Newcastle will do in the transfer market.

Striker and CB are absolutely MUST for United for next season.

I would expect the usual Kane to Utd over the summer - Spurs to say no, United to then pay massively over the odds for him and eventually get him.

Varane/Martinez is good for me - however Varane has some injury issues and Martinez coming back from injury will be a test. Maguire just never cut it for me - far to slow, lumbering of a CB for the modern game.

Sancho - no idea what's happened here - Rumours of off the field nonsense/wrong crowd etc - Looks a total shadow of the Dortmund player.

Still a lot of work to be done in the squad - Bailly/Jones/Amad/McTominay/Martial all need gone for me. Martial is just far to injury prone and even when fit, lucky if he turns up 1 in 5 games and actually plays.
 
Striker and CB are absolutely MUST for United for next season.

I would expect the usual Kane to Utd over the summer - Spurs to say no, United to then pay massively over the odds for him and eventually get him.

Varane/Martinez is good for me - however Varane has some injury issues and Martinez coming back from injury will be a test. Maguire just never cut it for me - far to slow, lumbering of a CB for the modern game.

Sancho - no idea what's happened here - Rumours of off the field nonsense/wrong crowd etc - Looks a total shadow of the Dortmund player.

Still a lot of work to be done in the squad - Bailly/Jones/Amad/McTominay/Martial all need gone for me. Martial is just far to injury prone and even when fit, lucky if he turns up 1 in 5 games and actually plays.
Amad and Mctominay depend on the player and the manager. If Ten Haag likes them and their okay being backups then I think they can be good enough for 10-20 games of the season. I personally don't like Mctomminay but he has some really good games from time to time

Bailly and Jones love them due to eccentricity for the former and desire and fight for the latter but they should have gone years ago. Think Jones may retire or stay (he's rumoured to be on a youth team level wage)

I think there's 15 first team players at risk of being sold or let go on a free.

But I am not sure we would hit 100m in sales.
 
But City were well ahead of Utd earlier in the season too Adam :confused: And I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with those stats? AWB's made 26 appearances, Sancho 31 and Antony 36, compared to 45 for Rodri, 45 for Bernardo & 42 Gundugon. Again, I'm not sure the point of these stats but anyway.

The point is the squad depth is a lot better than the other teams. Hence the drop off with Arsenal now. Yes we were behind City at the beginning but at one point we were only 3 points behind them but with injuries and just the amount of games we have fallen off a cliff. Both teams having to rely on a core of players to get the job done. City just have that depth that the teams around them do not have. Just look at your Liverpool who have fallen off a cliff.
 
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Yes we were behind City at the beginning but at one point we were only 3 points behind them
Yea, after 1 game :p

And I'm not disputing that City's squad is stronger but their first 11 is too. A full strength City are favourites to beat anybody and if they play to nearly their best, they win regardless of who they're up against.
 
Yea, after 1 game :p

And I'm not disputing that City's squad is stronger but their first 11 is too. A full strength City are favourites to beat anybody and if they play to nearly their best, they win regardless of who they're up against.

We were within 4 points of City not long after the world cup. I disagree about their first eleven. I think Arsenal, United and even Liverpool can give them a game in a one off competition with their strongest 11. Cities exception is that the other teams can rarely field their strongest 11 in the later stages.
 
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Giving them a game and being as good as them are very different things. This whole exchange began with somebody claiming Utd's first 11 is as good as anybody about but I do not see that at all, not even close. In a one off game can they be competitive? Yes but if Utd played City 10 times, City are winning the majority of them.
 
Giving them a game and being as good as them are very different things. This whole exchange began with somebody claiming Utd's first 11 is as good as anybody about but I do not see that at all, not even close. In a one off game can they be competitive? Yes but if Utd played City 10 times, City are winning the majority of them.

In the past ten encounters where 1 team has won it has been 5 wins each. :P
 
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