Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [16th - 18th September 2023]

Clutching at straws there fella, league cup + cl < fa cup without cl when you’re not ready for the CL at all.

Arsenal didn’t bottle the league. They done stupidly well and punched well above their weight in order to keep up with city for a good chunk of the season. Would have been a major shock if they won the league.

They did bottle the league. They also bottled top 4 the previous season. If Arteta was manager of Manchester United the press would have had him sacked years ago but luckily for Arsenal he hasn't been as they are doing good now.
 
They did bottle the league. They also bottled top 4 the previous season. If Arteta was manager of Manchester United the press would have had him sacked years ago but luckily for Arsenal he hasn't been as they are doing good now.
The media and fans were hounding him, but luckily we’ve got far better owners than you, and they believed in him. The Kroenke’s have never been ones for knee jerk sackings
 
What would you call it then? That's a bottling if ever there was one.

I wouldn’t call it anything, they got beaten by the far superior team over a marathon of a season. That team who won the treble with relative ease. They’ve won the league 3 years in a row are massively favourites to retain it again. Arsenal came from no where to be their biggest challengers, they shouldn’t even have been there. Not a single person would have thought Arsenal would have finished 2nd pre season let alone win the thing (Okay maybe that Ty guy). They done far better than they should have, more so in the first half of the season, well beyond what anyone was expecting then just returned to their natural rightful (not sure if thats the right phrase) place towards the end. If it was the other way around started a bit dodgy then went onto have a great second half would be a completely different story. They still won’t have won the league but you wouldn’t be saying they bottled it at the start of the season.
 
I wouldn’t call it anything, they got beaten by the far superior team over a marathon of a season. That team who won the treble with relative ease. They’ve won the league 3 years in a row are massively favourites to retain it again. Arsenal came from no where to be their biggest challengers, they shouldn’t even have been there. Not a single person would have thought Arsenal would have finished 2nd pre season let alone win the thing (Okay maybe that Ty guy). They done far better than they should have, more so in the first half of the season, well beyond what anyone was expecting then just returned to their natural rightful (not sure if thats the right phrase) place towards the end. If it was the other way around started a bit dodgy then went onto have a great second half would be a completely different story. They still won’t have won the league but you wouldn’t be saying they bottled it at the start of the season.
I think when you look at Arsenals form in the back end of last season its hard not to call it bottling tbh.
 
Meh, each to their own I guess.

Massive under dog, not expected to win it at all. Didn’t. Only playing way beyond expectation allowed them to I think, go favourites to win it for a few days. They always had to play City away so the gap wasn’t as big as it was portrayed as.
 
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Chelsea have a bigger European pedigree than Arsenal and they didn't even exist as a competitive force when Arsenal last won the league.
I disagree, when Arsenal won the league Chelsea finished second and were growing rapidly following Abramovich's investment. They knocked Arsenal out of the CL that year enroute to the semifinal and were only knocked out of the FA cup by a single goal away to the winners (Arsenal). They then won the league the next season with 95 points (a record at the time). To say they weren't competitive in 2004 is unfair, they were the clearly the second best team in England at the time and well on their way to becoming the best team in England.
 
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