Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Nov - 2nd Dec 2021]

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Mekrel said:
That's not the point though, the point is the manager as a singular variable i.
e the squad stays the same. That quality Chelsea squad was the same squad that were 9th under Lampard to then suddenly making top 4 with Tuchel and winning the Champions League.

Read what you quoted. He said a manager can elevate a team to another level, he didn't say the United squad is as good as Chelsea or Rangnick will take us to the PL or CL title, just that it's possible for a manager to take a team to another level. I don't disagree with you that our squad isn't as good as Chelsea's, but I do think it's good enough to be challenging for the final top 4 spot and certainly better than 7th place we're currently in.
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Yes I've read it, the point was that
Chelsea is a prime example of where a manager has elevated the performance of a really good squad to another level.
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Your squad isn't "really good", it's average. As I said 6 months isnt enough time to implement a manager's ideas, I think he will struggle to translate what he wants onto the pitch given what's at his disposal and the timeframes involved. You can't have 9/10 of your outfield players buy into 'gegenpressing', it's all or nothing (talking about Ronaldo) so will he use him as an impact sub? He likes a high defensive line yet you have players in key positions that aren't suited to this (De Gea/Maguire), let alone the pogba conundrum.

What happened to the 'utd way'? Rangnicks style isn't anything close to this. What about the next manager?

At the start of the season the man u fans and pundits were talking as if it was a title winning team, now it's a team that should be challenging for 4th place.
 
C Kent said:
At the start of the season the man u fans and pundits were talking as if it was a title winning team, now it's a team that should be challenging for 4th place.
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Does that not tell you that most people think that we have a great squad full of talent...

Perhaps the reason people are saying we should be looking to get top 4 now is because we are 12 points off top, playing like crap and have just got a new manager in who will need a bit of time to adapt the team.

At the start of last season people were saying Chelsea were title contenders and unsurprisingly when Tuchel took over people were no longer talking about that being a realistic target... Yet here they are, top of the table.

You can't tell how good a team is until they have a settled manager who has had some time and perhaps a transfer window or two. I fully expect us to challenge next season if we get a good managerial appointment and fill the gaps in the squad.
 
jonneymendoza said:
United drew against chelsea. nuff said....

And u really think city and liverpool woudl spank united...

Liverpool and city are just as good as chelsea mate.
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The both did. Comprehensively. Thank you for triggering those raw recent memories. Then again, it appears that my memory extends beyond 30 seconds ago.
 
C Kent said:
Journalists and man u fans have been saying that they are title contenders every season since you last won the league, so no.
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Need to get yourself off twitter if you think that's the representation of Man Utd fans and Journalists. Everyone had Chelsea and City are league winners this year. Liverpool with AFCON. Falling into the trap of thinking because they finished 2nd last season they where contenders.
 
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