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Yup Liverpool would have lost it drawn last night
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No, why would you replace Salah with Sancho? Ronaldo wouldnt suit how we play, hes obviously a world class player but would I swap him for, for eg Jota? No.
Nope.
5th-8th is exactly the positions they think they should be in. Everyone including all but the most blinkered Arsenal fans knows they are not going to compete with Liverpool, Chelsea and Manchester. The question is can they get the better of Spurs, Leicester and seemingly of late, West Ham instead of Everton in the battle for Europa league places.
There was a period a few years ago where people had their heads in the sand and were expecting top 4 finishes when it wasn't realistic, but expectations have been realigned these days. I mean when was the last time Arsenal were even in the CL, 5 seasons ago when they qualified behind Leicester?
edit: Let's look at the games vs the teams I mentioned above they are not going to compete with, we have now played all four. We've let in 14 goals and scored two, all of which were against Harry Maguire and half of which were against a prone goalkeeper.
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Liverpool are a bunch or decent players managed by one of the best. Manchester United players are just as good with even more depth but have been managed poorly.
Rashford's past two seasons have been 22 and 21 goals to Mane 22 and 16. Rashford also has 5 years on his side. That is just one example of where one player could improve Liverpool's side.
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This ain't Football Manager 
That's one way to look at it, I guess you could also say Mane has at least matched Rashford's goals every single season except last season when Rashford played a massive 57 games (and even then, Mane matched his league goals from fewer appearances). Let's not forget Rashford scored multiple goals in the Europa league last season whereas Mane never got that opportunity.
Ultimately comparing stats like this just depends what stats you pick and how deep you dig, but I certainly wouldn't use stats as a way of convincing me that Rashford is an upgrade on Mane.
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Not much live footy on the box this weekend?
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Martial and Rashford would start for Liverpool? I love you Adam
Rashford has a better goal return than Mane for the past three seasons on the left in an team that isn't coached as well as Liverpool's plus he is still learning his trade whilst Mane is at his peak. Is it really difficult to believe that say for example Rashford went to Liverpool tomorrow that Klopp wouldn't get him playing to an even higher level than what he was at United? He is also 5 years younger than Mane.
Chelsea is a prime example of where a manager has elevated the performance of a really good squad to another level.
I guess we will now see in the following months with a German style management what can be done.
Hes 24, not a fresh faced 17 year old.
No, because Rashford is a lazy ******
Chelsea's squad is full of quality, yours...is not
6 months is nothing, I'm not expecting a great deal tbh.
Soldato
Don't hate the player.hate the game
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To be fair, your quote doesn't disprove the point he was making that a coach can make all the difference. Chelsea's squad for the back end of 20/21 when Tuchel joined was the same squad under Lampard, yet the performances and point accumulation under Lampard were day and night vs Tuchel.
Does this guarantee Rangnick will have the same effect on United? Nothing is guaranteed, but it has been proven that different managers can get different results from the same squad. I personally believe United have the squad capable of better performance seen under OGS.
Better goal return in what competitions? Mane hasn't played in the Europa League and has barely kicked a ball in the League Cup ( just 71 mins in fact) and not much more in the FA Cup in those 3 seasons you've looked at.
In the League and CL Mane's scored 60 goals across those 3 seasons. In the League and 1.5 seasons in the CL + 1.5 seasons in the inferior EL, Rashford's scored 49 goals. Across those 3 seasons Mane took (and missed) 1 penalty, Rashford took 12. Rashford's also played a sizeable chunk of his games in that period as a centre forward. Had Rashford not played so many games as a centre forward, not been on pens for a period during those seasons and not played 1.5 seasons in an inferior competition then I think it's safe to say his goal return would have been even further behind Mane's.
Now don't get me wrong, I think Rashford's a decent player. In fact he's the one forward at Utd (maybe Sancho too) that I could see as a Klopp type player and he may go on and become better than he is now but right now he is not as good as Mane.
When you look at the squad Tuchel inherited and compare that with Man Utds it's apples and oranges, the Chelsea squad had won the PL 3 seasons prior and is packed with top class individuals whereas the man u squad is full of overpriced, average players.. Maguire, Wan Bissaka, Shaw, Fred, McTominay, Pogba etc. Man for man Chelsea's 1st team is head and shoulders above anything that man u can put out.
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That's not the point though, the point is the manager as a singular variable i.
e the squad stays the same. That quality Chelsea squad was the same squad that were 9th under Lampard to then suddenly making top 4 with Tuchel and winning the Champions League.
Read what you quoted. He said a manager can elevate a team to another level, he didn't say the United squad is as good as Chelsea or Rangnick will take us to the PL or CL title, just that it's possible for a manager to take a team to another level. I don't disagree with you that our squad isn't as good as Chelsea's, but I do think it's good enough to be challenging for the final top 4 spot and certainly better than 7th place we're currently in.
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United drew against chelsea. nuff said....
And u really think city and liverpool woudl spank united...
Liverpool and city are just as good as chelsea mate.
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