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I actually thought Carrick was the strongest of the lot. McKenna always seemed like the weakest link.
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I actually thought Carrick was the strongest of the lot. McKenna always seemed like the weakest link.
Yeah exactly, completely agree.
Don
How do supporters even know how good a coach is? 
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How do supporters even know how good a coach is?
We don't but when you are one of the main coaches of this United team and we play like this, its hard to think they are top draw... How do we know that it wasn't mainly the coaching that was awful and Ole wasn't being massively let down by it? We don't. Again its just an educated guess.
How do supporters even know how good a coach is?
Pretty much that, just by what we have seen on the pitch the last few years.
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How do supporters even know how good a coach is?
Educated guess but him leaving is going to happen. It wasn't just Ole after all. He didn't even do the training sessions apparently. He just managed the team.
Arteta knows the downward spiral is coming again. Lol.
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Arsenal simply don't have the squad or budget to be competing for the positions they think they should be in. They also have what seems to be a very average coach. They will probably be mixing it around 5-8th in the league but I doubt that they will get a sniff at top 4 unless United don't turn things around at all.
Its a shame because I always liked Arsenal in days past and they used to be top 2-3 year after year but those days are gone unless they restructure from top to bottom and manage to snag a top manager.
Its a shame because I always liked Arsenal in days past and they used to be top 2-3 year after year but those days are gone unless they restructure from top to bottom and manage to snag a top manager.
The manager not doing the training sessions isnt exactly that unusual. Its why you have coaches after all.
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Don’t have the budget? You do realise we was the biggest spenders in the last transfer window don’t you?
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I know that's why Carrick leaving was always going to happen and I always believed Ole was a good manager and did many good things for the club but was let down by his coaches and himself for not being ruthless enough when he got the full time job. Carrick and McKenna were Jose coaches. If he was thinking about himself he would have brought in his own team so to speak and we might have been in a different situation now.
First goal was definitely a goal, similar thing happened in an England game a while back, Rob Green took a goal kick and pulled a leg muscle or something, collapsed like a sack of spuds and the Belarus guy basically had an open goal. There was no foul, so it was a legit goal on that occasion too.
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I take it back, you are just awful at spending like we are
Arsenal really should have a better squad than they do for the money they have spent over the past 5 years.
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You keep clutching at those straws Adam
As you say, I think Ole caused himself some problems with picking his coaching team but he was also really bad at a lot of the stuff a manager is 100% responsible for. Game changing subs at the right time, picking the right players/team. Tactics. This is the man who thinks that "football is easy" and its about who wants it more. Yes, that was reasonably true in his day when football was a more simple game but these days, the top teams all have fantastically technical managers and coaching staff.
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You keep clutching at those straws Adam
As you say, I think Ole caused himself some problems with picking his coaching team but he was also really bad at a lot of the stuff a manager is 100% responsible for. Game changing subs at the right time, picking the right players/team. Tactics. This is the man who thinks that "football is easy" and its about who wants it more. Yes, that was reasonably true in his day when football was a more simple game but these days, the top teams all have fantastically technical managers and coaching staff.
I am not clutching at straws you could most likely get away with a manager training on the job but you need the best coaches in the world around him. The one thing Ole had over other managers is that his heart is 100% behind the club and always would be. That in itself is a great attribute to have that not a lot of managers have. Jose, Conte etc is all about themselves. I would argue Guardiola as well. Klopp is the only one who sees himself as a "Liverpool" person so to speak.
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Serious question but what do you think top managers actually do and why do you think they are paid crazy sums of money compared to coaches if its not one of the most important jobs in football?
Why do you think there are very very few managers who are accepted as being world class?
Why does any company pay management crazy sums of money when its the grunt workers who actually create the product as it were?
I just find it baffling that you think an important part of a job like the United manager is loving the club. Based on your opinions, it makes sense that you had so much faith in Ole because he does have all the qualities you think a top manager needs. I just massively disagree. In my opinion the most important things a manager has to be is highly competent at his actual job. Tactics, substitutions, game plan, attacking and defensive shapes. Yes his coaches will impart this to the players but he is the guy that decides all this. This is why "the buck stops here" when it comes to management. Because the manager usually has a huge amount of control of almost everything bar perhaps getting the players he wants in every transfer window but even there you can't argue that Ole has been let down.
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I think managers are different from club to club. Guardiola never worked in the style of SAF. SAF obviously had a fantastic footballing brain but he managed the club in the essence of the word management. This is how I felt Ole took to the job at Manchester United which is more akin to what maybe a DOF would do these days. Whether that was right or not is up for dispute but I think he was too naïve with his "jobs for the boys approach" with regards to the coaching staff.
He has left us with an incredibly strong squad imo. Bar a Kante/Fabhino type player we match the top 3 easily player for player. People can laugh and joke about a lot of the players but I think they were just poorly coached and hopefully that will change going forward.
I see Guardiola more involved in the training, tactics etc leaving the involvement of the academy, transfers, stadium etc to other people. He is more of a coach than what you would consider a quintessential manager. I see Klopp as someone who sits somewhere in the middle of SAF and Guardiola which I think is the best of both worlds.
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'tis a bit early to be on the sherry, cool dude. Go calm yourself down
Oh wow. I dont care about the other two but you really don't match for eg Liverpool player for player. I wouldnt take a single player from Uniteds first team...
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Not even sancho? Or Ronaldo?
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In current form you would be 100% correct. It remains to be seen how this lot will perform under a decent coach/manager.
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