Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [10th - 11th January 2015]

[grimm]

city and chelsea probably doing better or same as last season and thats a good thing as they compteting to win the title .

my point is that LVG has not shown he is leaps and bounds better then moyes so far.

And the saying goes, be careful what you wished for. Moyes should have given another season to prove himself.

If united fail top 4 and finish same points or lower then last season, my point would have been proven and LVG may even get the sack

If you haven't actually checked how the other teams around United are doing compared to last season then it's a useless statistic. For all we know all of the top teams could be worse off than last season, therefore United having the same number of points could be an improvement.

Performance is all relative to the other teams. There would appear to be more teams up there this season when you look at how West Ham and Southampton are competing for top 4 along with Arsenal, United, Liverpool and Spurs. There are potentially 8 or 9 teams competing for a top 4 place if you include City and Chelsea in the list (which you should, as they are taking up two of the places). The league appears to be the most competitive (in terms of top 4) that it has been in a long time.

 

[jonneymendoza]

If you haven't actually checked how the other teams around United are doing compared to last season then it's a useless statistic. For all we know all of the top teams could be worse off than last season, therefore United having the same number of points could be an improvement.

Performance is all relative to the other teams. There would appear to be more teams up there this season when you look at how West Ham and Southampton are competing for top 4 along with Arsenal, United, Liverpool and Spurs. There are potentially 8 or 9 teams competing for a top 4 place if you include City and Chelsea in the list (which you should, as they are taking up two of the places). The league appears to be the most competitive (in terms of top 4) that it has been in a long time.

City and chelsea are doing pretty well this season so far but i agree with the rest doing poor thats why your sitting nice in 4th spot with same points tally as last year.

Dont forget that United have spent over 100m and got some real ncie talent in that side but still seem no better then last years squad and manager.

For all the moans and groans about Moyes, the same similar moans and groans are appearing with LVG.

lots are questioning LVG's tactics a lot

 

[dannyjo22]

If Moyes had the financial backing that Van Gaal has had would he have more points at this stage of the season?.

I think so, they wouldn't have so many crocks either. LVG is no better than Moyes in my opinion but he's vastly better at the media game. LVG will still be claiming he knows what he's doing and anyone who knows him, knows he get's results on the day they push him out the door. Where as Moyes and his horrific post match interviews made it easier for him to be picked apart.

Last year there were two re-occuring themes on here.

Look at how well Everton are doing post Moyes and an influx of posters telling us Moyes training wrecks players despite there being little evidence of that at Everton.

Well at least the Everton comparisons and "we should have got martinez" have gone away Then the same dutch guy comes out and says how LVG wrecks players and can point to evidence of his horrific injury records at other clubs and it's barely mention in comparison to how often moyes was beaten with that stick

I think LVG has been lucky this year, as a footballing side they have barely improved are hardly full of confidence and have spent decent amounts of money. He's been lucky the standard this year has slipped in a rather odd year results wise or he would be staring at less points than moyes had. Moyes was not the answer clearly, he folded but neither is this guy. I think you have got him 10 years too late. Much like Wengers time has past so has this guys.

 

[Robbo]

City and chelsea are doing pretty well this season so far but i agree with the rest doing poor thats why your sitting nice in 4th spot with same points tally as last year.

Dont forget that United have spent over 100m and got some real ncie talent in that side but still seem no better then last years squad and manager.

For all the moans and groans about Moyes, the same similar moans and groans are appearing with LVG.

lots are questioning LVG's tactics a lot

At every possible opportunity - especially when it comes to Man Utd or Liverpool - you harp on and on about the manager. I think it's probably because your own views on Wenger have made you paranoid.

I know you probably can't remember all the Moyes criticisms but there's no way in hell I'd ever want him back, and nor would any other supporter.

I don't really get the whole 3 centre half thing (especially when they're all quite bad), but maybe we'd be worse off without it. Who knows. We shall see.

Having said all that, I do think we should be playing a lot better than we are at the moment, going forward there's a lot of room for improvement.

 

[jonneymendoza]

I think so, they wouldn't have so many crocks either. LVG is no better than Moyes in my opinion but he's vastly better at the media game. LVG will still be claiming he knows what he's doing and anyone who knows him, knows he get's results on the day they push him out the door. Where as Moyes and his horrific post match interviews made it easier for him to be picked apart.

Last year there were two re-occuring themes on here.

Look at how well Everton are doing post Moyes and an influx of posters telling us Moyes training wrecks players despite there being little evidence of that at Everton.

Well at least the Everton comparisons and "we should have got martinez" have gone away Then the same dutch guy comes out and says how LVG wrecks players and can point to evidence of his horrific injury records at other clubs and it's barely mention in comparison to how often moyes was beaten with that stick

I think LVG has been lucky this year, as a footballing side they have barely improved are hardly full of confidence and have spent decent amounts of money. He's been lucky the standard this year has slipped in a rather odd year results wise or he would be staring at less points than moyes had. Moyes was not the answer clearly, he folded but neither is this guy. I think you have got him 10 years too late. Much like Wengers time has past so has this guys.

At every possible opportunity - especially when it comes to Man Utd or Liverpool - you harp on and on about the manager. I think it's probably because your own views on Wenger have made you paranoid.

I know you probably can't remember all the Moyes criticisms but there's no way in hell I'd ever want him back, and nor would any other supporter.

I don't really get the whole 3 centre half thing (especially when they're all quite bad), but maybe we'd be worse off without it. Who knows. We shall see.

Having said all that, I do think we should be playing a lot better than we are at the moment, going forward there's a lot of room for improvement.

go read the above post.

backs my opinion so its not just me.

If you think LVG is leaps and bounds better then Moyes, please do share why you think so instead of baiting me about wenger who has nothing to do with united

 

[Robbo]

go read the above post.

backs my opinion so its not just me.

If you think LVG is leaps and bounds better then Moyes, please do share why you think so instead of baiting me about wenger who has nothing to do with united

People have explained numerous times why LvG is a better choice than Moyes. However, that doesn't mean he's exempt from criticism, he's done quite a few things I don't agree with but we have had a lot of injuries (this could be down to him but it's highly unlikely if you look at his track record).

 

[spudbynight]

Man Utd need to buy Gareth Bale. They have a real shortage of attacking players.

 

[Robbo]

Highly unlikely? Explain? With that many, can it be explained away by luck?

It could be, yes. I don't think he had major injury problems from his training methods at previous clubs, but I could be wrong.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Man Utd need to buy Gareth Bale. They have a real shortage of attacking players.

Rvp, Falcoa, Rooney, Mata, Di maria just to name a few lol.

Yup need more.

Throw more money at united.

Seriously LVG is just not what united needed

 

[a1ex2001]

Man Utd need to buy Gareth Bale. They have a real shortage of attacking players.

Totally this and they should in no way shape or form be considering buying any of Morgan Schniederlin, Victor Wanyama, Jose Fonte, Toby Alderwilkjgkldfghkdh or Florin Gardos. These are certainly not players who should be coveted by any big teams and most definitely are not the player liverpool should have looked at!

 

[dannyjo22]

It could be, yes. I don't think he had major injury problems from his training methods at previous clubs, but I could be wrong.

You are wrong, they explained this on the radio a few weeks back. He's had terrible injury records where ever he has been. They went through the clubs and most of the experts were also unaware how bad his injury record was at other clubs. They say he subscribes to a methods where he basically flogs the players to get quicker results and accepts himself this method brings on more injuries but he's willing to take that pain for quicker results getting the team to gel.

Which is fair enough, top 4 looks on but I would say not at anything like enough of a step up in footballing style from Moyes terrible era.

 

[this_is_gav]

Totally this and they should in no way shape or form be considering buying any of Morgan Schniederlin, Victor Wanyama, Jose Fonte, Toby Alderwilkjgkldfghkdh or Florin Gardos. These are certainly not players who should be coveted by any big teams and most definitely are not the player liverpool should have looked at!

While that's probably true, it's hard to argue that all of them wouldn't be an upgrade in their respective positions for Man Utd on current form.

 

[jonneymendoza]

While that's probably true, it's hard to argue that all of them wouldn't be an upgrade in their respective positions for Man Utd on current form.

he was being sarcastic

 

[The Running Man]

Do you believe you should have kept Moyes for another season?

Not sure if you remember, i was the one most apposed to Moyes out of everyone here.
.That we have the same points as we did under moyes despite spending so much money's tells me something is wrong.

and that something is the manager and his ridiculous formations. Plus he doesn't rest his players.

starting Rooney against Yeovil after that xmas period? Starting mata, rooney, rvp, di maria all in central positions and zero quality on either flank. Well where do i start? It's bold as brass.

weve bern gak for a ages. What i don't understand is why everyone is only realising now?

 

[Bucket]

We played utterly dull football under SAF for the last 2 - 3 years of his time at the club. We got results, it didn't matter so much.

The football we played under Moyes was horrific, there was no sense of progression, and the tactics were always very mixed and negative (players have come out and said this themselves). We didn't get results, it mattered and miffed people off.

The football under LvG for a large majority is a bit naff at the moment, but the progression is clear to see, the way we retain the ball compared to under Moyes is night & day. As a whole, we look much better, even if we're not playing that exciting yet — and, there was a period where we were grinding results. Don't forget we'd just gone 10 unbeaten, the spirit and mentality was starting to come back that was completely gone under Moyes.

If people actually watched Man United week in, week out, not just the highlights, then I think you'd be able to see a clear difference. I suppose it's not worth arguing with a mentalist and someone that is seemingly the love child of David Moyes though.

 

[The Running Man]

We played utterly dull football under SAF for the last 2 - 3 years of his time at the club. We got results, it didn't matter so much.

The football we played under Moyes was horrific, there was no sense of progression, and the tactics were always very mixed and negative (players have come out and said this themselves). We didn't get results, it mattered and miffed people off.

The football under LvG for a large majority is a bit naff at the moment, but the progression is clear to see, the way we retain the ball compared to under Moyes is night & day. As a whole, we look much better, even if we're not playing that exciting yet — and, there was a period where we were grinding results. Don't forget we'd just gone 10 unbeaten, the spirit and mentality was starting to come back that was completely gone under Moyes.

If people actually watched Man United week in, week out, not just the highlights, then I think you'd be able to see a clear difference. I suppose it's not worth arguing with a mentalist and someone that is seemingly the love child of David Moyes though.

How does a team playing at home not manage 1 shot on goal till the 86th minute in any game of football. Let alone with a trio of players costing 110 million in total?

That's not progress. We don't play good football. We don't create chances. We just pass thd ball about loosely across our back 5 and then hoof it forward.

terrible' formaticon

the last player you wanton our left wing is luke shaw, and the last person you want crossing from the right is valencia.

You don't really need fi maria up front like that. And you can drop mata for herrera. So many things. Aaggh.

 

[jonneymendoza]

Not sure if you remember, i was the one most apposed to Moyes out of everyone here.
.That we have the same points as we did under moyes despite spending so much money's tells me something is wrong.

and that something is the manager and his ridiculous formations. Plus he doesn't rest his players.

starting Rooney against Yeovil after that xmas period? Starting mata, rooney, rvp, di maria all in central positions and zero quality on either flank. Well where do i start? It's bold as brass.

weve bern gak for a ages. What i don't understand is why everyone is only realising now?

Yup agreed. LVG is just pants. Should have gone for a top quality young manager or stuck with moyes.

No point replacing Moyes with someone no better if not worse then Moyes.

Who knows what would have happened had united stuck with Moyes. Maybe would have done better.

You dont consistantly finish top 6 with a team like everton with a shoe string budget for so long.

clearly Moyes knows whats his doing but he needs time.

Youngish manager who could have pushed united forward on

 

[Robbo]

You're advocating giving Moyes time but writing off LvG so quickly? Amazing.

I bet you wouldn't want Moyes to replace Wenger, which says it all really.

LvG is clearly not a bad manager and we aren't awful, however, yesterday was an extremely bad day at the office for everyone involved, but all teams can have those days.

The bandwagon gets jumped on by the same few people every time we have a bad result, if we win - silence.

 

[Stewy]

We played utterly dull football under SAF for the last 2 - 3 years of his time at the club. We got results, it didn't matter so much.

The football we played under Moyes was horrific, there was no sense of progression, and the tactics were always very mixed and negative (players have come out and said this themselves). We didn't get results, it mattered and miffed people off.

The football under LvG for a large majority is a bit naff at the moment, but the progression is clear to see, the way we retain the ball compared to under Moyes is night & day. As a whole, we look much better, even if we're not playing that exciting yet — and, there was a period where we were grinding results. Don't forget we'd just gone 10 unbeaten, the spirit and mentality was starting to come back that was completely gone under Moyes.

If people actually watched Man United week in, week out, not just the highlights, then I think you'd be able to see a clear difference. I suppose it's not worth arguing with a mentalist and someone that is seemingly the love child of David Moyes though.

We've been absolutely dreadful and got some ridiculously lucky results after being fisted for 90 minutes - I genuinely do not see any progress. I really don't.

 

[jonneymendoza]

You're advocating giving Moyes time but writing off LvG so quickly? Amazing.

I bet you wouldn't want Moyes to replace Wenger, which says it all really.

LvG is clearly not a bad manager and we aren't awful, however, yesterday was an extremely bad day at the office for everyone involved, but all teams can have those days.

The bandwagon gets jumped on by the same few people every time we have a bad result, if we win - silence.

No I am proving a point that lvg is no better then Moyes. Whether he should be sacked or is another debate.

Many United fans here and proven u why United are no better then last season. Probably worse given the fact u spent big money