Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [11 - 14th May 2013]

Chelsea still could get second, unlikely I know. Rafa has well and truly steadied that ship, if they get 3rd and win the Europa it will be a very good season for them.
Be interesting to see what the perception of him will be if he does win the Europa League. Despite his many failings I still rate him very highly and I would fancy him to do a great job in any team he can mould in to his own.

His last few years at Liverpool weren't great although H&G were partly responsible for that, he wasn't allowed to spend a penny at Inter and he's had no control at Chelsea. Quite glad City seem to be going for Pelligrini because he'd fit in very well there. Perhaps PSG or Real next? :eek:
 
Chelsea still could get second, unlikely I know. Rafa has well and truly steadied that ship, if they get 3rd and win the Europa it will be a very good season for them.

RDM won 7 lost 2 drew 3, Rafa has won 14, lost 5, drawn 6. Rafa hasn't steadied anything, RDM had a poor run which also included a cup win over Utd days after a Utd loss in the league and a bunch 3 UCL games over a difficult period of games.

RDM drew at home to pool and away to QPR and Swansea, one of those is terrible the others, understandable, lost to Utd home and West brom away, with their form at that stage of the season, understandable.

Rafa lost at HOME to QPR, away to Newcastle, City, West Ham, Southampton, except for City those are all significantly worse losses than RDM had and worse results, drew to Southampton home, Reading away, Liverpool and Spurs. When you look at the comparison Rafa has lost to weaker teams, and drawn with weaker teams and his results are worse than RDM's.

Rafa hasn't done much at all, the results are very very close to RDM's but I believe against easier teams in general, IE losing at home to QPR is worse than drawing away by quite some margin.

The difference is West Brom were flying high, and have dropped off, so has Chelsea, so has Everton. Chelsea have been worse under Rafa, while also buying an extra striker who hasn't worked out well(as yet).

Chelsea are a team that had 4 "bad" games under RDM and the manager/fans panicked like idiots. They would always have come back strong, there is a reason why for two years Chelsea and Arsenal came back strong on guys with squads costing 40-60% less.

To say he steadied the ship is nuts.
 
RDM won 7 lost 2 drew 3, Rafa has won 14, lost 5, drawn 6. Rafa hasn't steadied anything, RDM had a poor run which also included a cup win over Utd days after a Utd loss in the league and a bunch 3 UCL games over a difficult period of games.

RDM drew at home to pool and away to QPR and Swansea, one of those is terrible the others, understandable, lost to Utd home and West brom away, with their form at that stage of the season, understandable.

Rafa lost at HOME to QPR, away to Newcastle, City, West Ham, Southampton, except for City those are all significantly worse losses than RDM had and worse results, drew to Southampton home, Reading away, Liverpool and Spurs. When you look at the comparison Rafa has lost to weaker teams, and drawn with weaker teams and his results are worse than RDM's.

Rafa hasn't done much at all, the results are very very close to RDM's but I believe against easier teams in general, IE losing at home to QPR is worse than drawing away by quite some margin.

The difference is West Brom were flying high, and have dropped off, so has Chelsea, so has Everton. Chelsea have been worse under Rafa, while also buying an extra striker who hasn't worked out well(as yet).

Chelsea are a team that had 4 "bad" games under RDM and the manager/fans panicked like idiots. They would always have come back strong, there is a reason why for two years Chelsea and Arsenal came back strong on guys with squads costing 40-60% less.

To say he steadied the ship is nuts.

I don't reckon Chelsea would have got 3rd with RDM in charge. No matter how you look at it, 3rd place, Europa final win possibly I'm sure will have pleased Roman. They looked like they'd finish behind Spurs, Arsenal and Everton not long ago.
 
I don't reckon Chelsea would have got 3rd with RDM in charge. No matter how you look at it, 3rd place, Europa final win possibly I'm sure will have pleased Roman. They looked like they'd finish behind Spurs, Arsenal and Everton not long ago.

RDM's worst result was drawing away at QPR, Rafa's was losing at home to the same team... etc, etc. Rafa has played just over double the number of games, and won exactly double the number of games, he's lost just over double the number of games, this is a worse record.

Almost all teams with smaller and cheaper squads drop off, the smaller and cheaper, generally the worse and earlier their form collapses. West brom first, then Everton, then Spurs..... its the same every single season basically.

Chelsea haven't actually been outside the top 4 this season, at any stage, they started the "poor" form under RDM in 1st, and ended it in 3rd, and have been between 3-4 all season since then.

There has been no indication at any stage this year they'd finish outside the top 4, they've been third more than Arsenal or Spurs and its been Arsenal/Spurs fighting for the 4th place spot for quite some time. Of the 4 games RDM lost/drew in the poor run, not one of them was an unbelievable or shocking result, Swansea away, Liverpool home, West Brom(in their first half season form) and Utd aren't easy games at all. Play the same 4 games after Swansea are safe and won a cup, Liverpool, utd with the title all but sewn up, and West brom in diabolical form... they become far far easier games.

Chelsea gave up on the league last year to win a CL final, and still came higher up the table than any other team doing the same could. Arsenal were 7th without much of the season to go and the smaller teams fell apart, even Spurs fell apart... 143mil wage bill and squad size vs 90mil will do that.

Chelsea never looked in any trouble at any stage, except Rafa's first 3 games, where he got just 2 points. after 7 games without a win, read that carefully, having played only 8 games before, after 7 further games without a win they were...... 3rd. People are acting like it was Chelsea of last year, struggling under AVB, and then focusing entirely on the one cup they haven't won and struggling to 6th in the league, not a single second of this season has resembled that at all.

Put another way, AVB was fired las tyear after a record of 3 losses, 3 wins and 6 draws in the previous 12 games. RDM was fired after a record of 7 wins, 2 losses, 2 draws in the previous 11 games.... joke. That record would have them exactly where they are now over the course of 38 games. They were 3rd and some bad luck(and some cheating.. Suarez shove) when RDM got fired, they were in ridiculously worse form and 5th when AVB got fired.

RDM got far far more points in the final 11 games he had last year, than the previous 12 under AVB, this year Rafa hasn't improved on RDM's record at all, which was also improved compared to the 11 games he had last year.
 
RDM's worst result was drawing away at QPR, Rafa's was losing at home to the same team... etc, etc. Rafa has played just over double the number of games, and won exactly double the number of games, he's lost just over double the number of games, this is a worse record.

Almost all teams with smaller and cheaper squads drop off, the smaller and cheaper, generally the worse and earlier their form collapses. West brom first, then Everton, then Spurs..... its the same every single season basically.

Chelsea haven't actually been outside the top 4 this season, at any stage, they started the "poor" form under RDM in 1st, and ended it in 3rd, and have been between 3-4 all season since then.

There has been no indication at any stage this year they'd finish outside the top 4, they've been third more than Arsenal or Spurs and its been Arsenal/Spurs fighting for the 4th place spot for quite some time. Of the 4 games RDM lost/drew in the poor run, not one of them was an unbelievable or shocking result, Swansea away, Liverpool home, West Brom(in their first half season form) and Utd aren't easy games at all. Play the same 4 games after Swansea are safe and won a cup, Liverpool, utd with the title all but sewn up, and West brom in diabolical form... they become far far easier games.

Chelsea gave up on the league last year to win a CL final, and still came higher up the table than any other team doing the same could. Arsenal were 7th without much of the season to go and the smaller teams fell apart, even Spurs fell apart... 143mil wage bill and squad size vs 90mil will do that.

Chelsea never looked in any trouble at any stage, except Rafa's first 3 games, where he got just 2 points. after 7 games without a win, read that carefully, having played only 8 games before, after 7 further games without a win they were...... 3rd. People are acting like it was Chelsea of last year, struggling under AVB, and then focusing entirely on the one cup they haven't won and struggling to 6th in the league, not a single second of this season has resembled that at all.

Put another way, AVB was fired las tyear after a record of 3 losses, 3 wins and 6 draws in the previous 12 games. RDM was fired after a record of 7 wins, 2 losses, 2 draws in the previous 11 games.... joke. That record would have them exactly where they are now over the course of 38 games. They were 3rd and some bad luck(and some cheating.. Suarez shove) when RDM got fired, they were in ridiculously worse form and 5th when AVB got fired.

RDM got far far more points in the final 11 games he had last year, than the previous 12 under AVB, this year Rafa hasn't improved on RDM's record at all, which was also improved compared to the 11 games he had last year.

This. However; RDM wasn't rotating his Chelsea squad at all - if he had carried on playing the team as it was, it would have burned out way, way earlier than it has under Rafa. Rafa has rotated the squad significantly more than RDM was prepared to do -whether or not this was inexperience from RDM I don't know.
 
Benitez was talked about before RDM go the job, I think even before AVB got the job. Any claimed reasons to bring in Benitez against the fans wishes looks like a certain amount of PR (RDM form a convenient excuse) and maybe Benitez really was hired to try and fix Roman's failed pet signing.
 
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Cue frenzied Bale to leave speculation? :p
Almost inevitably, along with the Spurs are just Utd's feeder club trolling. Bale has a long contract though (until 30.06.2016 according to Transfermarkt) and we all know how stubborn Daniel Levy is, I don't think Bale is going anywhere for the next couple of seasons at least, unless Real or some other non English club offer €70M+
 
I was fuming when Ramires got sent off, not that I thought that either yellow was wrong but the fact that he was stupid enough to get the 2nd one, muppet, and whilst Benteke's was very similar and Mason had to give him the 2nd yellow I don't think he was aware of Terry's position at all and was just going for the ball.
Gutted that Hazard looks to be out of the final on Wednesday, he deserves to have a shot at a decent title after the season he's had :(
But delighted for Lamps, I doubt we'll see another midfielder with his goal scoring ability. He's 4th or something on the all time PL goal scoring list too I think, not bad for a fat bloke :cool:
 
Oh yeah, good luck North London by the way.
Not really bothered who takes the last CL spot as long as it not Spurs, again.
 
Officially confirmed now that Scholes will retire properly at the end of the season

He was brilliant when he came back last season so its a shame his career has ended with him out of the team for months with no one even wondering why (I don't buy that he's been injured for one second). In hindsight he should have called it a day at the end of last season when his remarkable performances were fresh in people's mind.

Probably fitting with his character though that his retirement is being overshone by someone else (never been one for the spot light has our Scholesy)
 
He was brilliant when he came back last season so its a shame his career has ended with him out of the team for months with no one even wondering why (I don't buy that he's been injured for one second). In hindsight he should have called it a day at the end of last season when his remarkable performances were fresh in people's mind.

Probably fitting with his character though that his retirement is being overshone by someone else (never been one for the spot light has our Scholesy)

Indeed, a great player that simply hung around too long until he wasn't needed. Shame his career has ended with a whimper. In an ideal world we would have bought a midfielder and he wouldn't have needed to come back :(

Still one of United's greats though and I assume he'll still be coaching with us?
 
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