Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [13th - 16th April 2012]
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Isn't that exactly what they've done this season?
I think had it not been for Van Persie being amazing he'd certainly be the best forward in the league too
Even if you do take RVP's goals away Aguero still wouldn't be the top goalscorer in the league
I'll be honest I'm still not sure what to make of Aguero, there's certainly very little between him and Tevez ability wise and having seen Tevez for us I certainly dont think he's as good as Rooney (current form not withstanding). Stats say though that last season Tevez got 23 goals for City in 39 appearances and so far this season Aguero has already bettered that with 28 in 44 so maybe I'm not giving the lad the credit he deserves.
EDIT: tbh after performances like the one he put in today still fresh in the memory it's hard to say Rooney's better than anyone at the moment
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Knew as soon as mcclown was appointed that our season would go this way. Useless, tactically inept & shouldn't be within 100 miles of a premiership club. I'm not saying I could do better though, But surely there were other options we could have looked at. Hell I wouldn't have minded Kevin MacDonald being given a crack at it.
Of course it doesn't help we haven't replaced any of the guys we've lost bar Friedel really with any quality. Ireland has been ok but he is very hit & miss, N'zogbia has been pretty much useless, There is more but I really can't be bothered to type it, It all comes from when Barry/Milner were sold that the problems started to show. Also the fact MON spent far too much on average/not very good players & put them on stupid wages.
Mcclown has also left it far to late to try using the kids he should have been bedding them in at the start of the season but it has all come down to injuries that have forced his hand. I'm not looking forward to him having money in the transfer market!
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You don't have to take into account anything. Rooney off the ball looks like an idiot, Aguero holds the ball up better, sets up others better, he's more effective, and he's scored from all over the place, tap ins, 30 yard screamers. While, yes, to be fair Rooney has Welbeck for a partner, or Hernandez, and neither can pass worth a damn, or do anything worth a damn, Rooney's interplay is more often than not like it was today, almost completely useless.
put the ball at his feet in the box and he scores pretty often, though the number of penalties he's scored this year can't be ignored(nor can the fact that seemingly this year the guy who wins the penalty doesn't seem to get an assist, sure they used to, so Young should have about 40 extra assists this year ). But I don't rate Rooney's all around game, his passing is meh, his vision may be good but his passing doesn't match it, and the majority of his goals this year have been pretty easy tap ins.
For me, Aguero is simply a better player, scores better goals, can create, score, hold it up, pick out a great ball, movement is ridiculously good, stupidly strong for his size, the fact that he just seems to be a decent bloke, not a cheat and doesn't go around kicking people after he's lost the ball just add's to how much I like him.
I'd take Aguero or RVP over Rooney any day, in terms of goals, if Silva/yaya hadn't gone AWOL since xmas I reckon Aguero would have scored more than Rooney anyway(or if they'd bought Young and he had another 10 goals from penalties
), so many of City's poor games Aguero is up on his own with zero support and still creating chances and getting the old goal, working hard and doing excellently.
put the ball at his feet in the box and he scores pretty often, though the number of penalties he's scored this year can't be ignored(nor can the fact that seemingly this year the guy who wins the penalty doesn't seem to get an assist, sure they used to, so Young should have about 40 extra assists this year
). But I don't rate Rooney's all around game, his passing is meh, his vision may be good but his passing doesn't match it, and the majority of his goals this year have been pretty easy tap ins.For me, Aguero is simply a better player, scores better goals, can create, score, hold it up, pick out a great ball, movement is ridiculously good, stupidly strong for his size, the fact that he just seems to be a decent bloke, not a cheat and doesn't go around kicking people after he's lost the ball just add's to how much I like him.
I'd take Aguero or RVP over Rooney any day, in terms of goals, if Silva/yaya hadn't gone AWOL since xmas I reckon Aguero would have scored more than Rooney anyway(or if they'd bought Young and he had another 10 goals from penalties
), so many of City's poor games Aguero is up on his own with zero support and still creating chances and getting the old goal, working hard and doing excellently.I pretty much agree with DM.
I don't think you can *just* use stats to show who's a better player, there is far more to a player then just his goal return.
I think Aguero is a better forward, as DM says, his all round game is much better.
Rooney has looked 'flat' for a while now, too long for it to just be a loss of form.
I don't think you can *just* use stats to show who's a better player, there is far more to a player then just his goal return.
I think Aguero is a better forward, as DM says, his all round game is much better.
Rooney has looked 'flat' for a while now, too long for it to just be a loss of form.
For me, Aguero is simply a better player, scores better goals, can create, score, hold it up, pick out a great ball, movement is ridiculously good, stupidly strong for his size, the fact that he just seems to be a decent bloke, not a cheat and doesn't go around kicking people after he's lost the ball just add's to how much I like him.
I'd take Aguero or RVP over Rooney any day, in terms of goals, if Silva/yaya hadn't gone AWOL since xmas I reckon Aguero would have scored more than Rooney anyway(or if they'd bought Young and he had another 10 goals from penalties
Before City's last two games Aguero has been just as ineffective as anyone else in a City shirt, if he's really as good as you think surely his own form wouldn't be so dependant on that of those around him? Take RVP as an example of this, for a very long period this season he was still scoring despite the form of those around him! I'll also point put that Aguero's only actually contributed 2 more assists as well as the fewer goals in more appearances than the aforementioned comparison
10 goals in the last 10 games is good by any standard , if thats his bad form......
I agree you cant look at just stats, but even so I think most clubs would still include him as 1st choice
edit- only saw the highlights so its difficult to tell, but Welbeck (if he was any good) should have got a hatful, the amount of decent chances he fluffed completely is annoying as anything - still think Chicharito is a better option going forward (as a starter)
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Welbeck again was very good until he got into a scoring position. He was blocked well a few times but then a couple of times he seemed afraid to shoot. His composure in the area is really poor 
Before City's last two games Aguero has been just as ineffective as anyone else in a City shirt, if he's really as good as you think surely his own form wouldn't be so dependant on that of those around him? Take RVP as an example of this, for a very long period this season he was still scoring despite the form of those around him! I'll also point put that Aguero's only actually contributed 2 more assists as well as the fewer goals in more appearances than the aforementioned comparison
They dont apply the same criteria to Wayne.
Wayne is rubbish, despite scoring more goals, and only having a couple less assists and despite playing in a massively inferior side according to them.
But Aguero, well he's better, despite scoring less and playing in a squad of of world class super stars.
The only player in the league that is even close to being as good as Wayne is all round is Tevez.
We could just use stats, but for some reason football seems reluctant to use stats to the extent of the american sports. If we had a full coverage of stats including passes, assists, blah blah and the rest it could draw a much more convincing picture than the garbage we are usually given.
It still baffles me that stats are so sidelined in football and you have arguements like "well he is really influential" with nothing to back it up
American teams/sports are a lot more evenly balanced than ours though, so each player is on a much more equal footing.
I think that any half decent forward would have good stats playing for the likes of Manchester United week in week out, leading the attack for Wolves etc is another matter entirely.
I think that any half decent forward would have good stats playing for the likes of Manchester United week in week out, leading the attack for Wolves etc is another matter entirely.
We could just use stats, but for some reason football seems reluctant to use stats to the extent of the american sports. If we had a full coverage of stats including passes, assists, blah blah and the rest it could draw a much more convincing picture than the garbage we are usually given.
It still baffles me that stats are so sidelined in football and you have arguements like "well he is really influential" with nothing to back it up
I'd like to see this too!
Lol @ Tom. Like Moses said, use minutes per goal.
I used to like Ashley Young. Those two dives in quick succession (which is really the root of the problem, others have dived, but generally not when the spotlight is on at the end of the season and in two different games close to each other) have changed that.
As for Rooney and Aguero, they are both very different players, and both are extremely good.
As I think DM has mentioned previously (not in this thread), Rooney was previously a much more explosive/unpredictable striker and he's really lost that 'dangerous' edge and tries to play as a midfielder and a striker at the same time.
I think he's reasonably effective doing this, but I don't really like it. As for the notion that Rooney is your run of the mill average player, I don't agree, utter nonsense.
That said, he's been dreadful for the past couple of games (despite scoring twice).
As I think DM has mentioned previously (not in this thread), Rooney was previously a much more explosive/unpredictable striker and he's really lost that 'dangerous' edge and tries to play as a midfielder and a striker at the same time.
I think he's reasonably effective doing this, but I don't really like it. As for the notion that Rooney is your run of the mill average player, I don't agree, utter nonsense.
That said, he's been dreadful for the past couple of games (despite scoring twice
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This is a pointless conversation really, it's all a matter of opinion. You just can't prove that a striker is better than another striker with stats alone, there's just so many other factors that affect it.
You should have been watching him closer over the years, he's been a disgrace for ages. These aren't even among his worst dives, they're just textbook. What I find distressing is that I watch games, see Young jump to the floor (he almost always jumps) and instantly think dive, why on earth don't the refs think the same when they see him? They should have this information.
Yep, Young has been at it for years. When he was at Villa, he was booked several times for it, but usually just ignored or told to get up.
Now he's at Man U... for some reason... most of time he gets a pen.
