Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [14th - 19th August 2015]

Jimbeam3678 said:
First question is why go to see THAT game?!?!
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Guaranteed goal action? If I personally had the choice of watching Norwich vs Sunderland or Norwich vs lets say a Pulis draw specialist team I'd chose the former.

EDIT:- reading some comments from Bilic from after the game I'm quite impressed by him. While during the game he looked shocked/angry about the red card he said after seeing it there was no intent but it was a deserved red for dangerous play. He didn't go all out on the penalty saying he would have given it but didn't make a huge deal about it. In reality I'd say a Sahko dive, minor contact and he went down like he was elbowed in the face, keeper put up an arm to delay the player not take him down, no power, no elbow and not in his face. Also defended Oxford saying he didn't take him off because of performance but because he wanted to change the tempo of the game. A lot of other managers would have put the blame for everything on a player or the referee but he was very reasonable. I guess I mostly just have the expectation he'd be a hot headed manager rather than reasonable and sensible.
 
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dannyjo22 said:
An irrelevant dinosaur. It's going to be one very very expensive journey to finally the board coming to that conclusion. If by mid season you are still playing terrible football, you really should look elsewhere before he spends another few hundred million hoping to stumble across a side with some balance. He's certainly not the man to create the attacking fast paced football United fans have got accustomed to seeing.

I guessed in the fergie retirement thread you would go through a long period of inadequate managers eating through hundreds of millions trying to play to the standards fergie set. Again I repeat that I think what fergie actually did was taken for granted as being easy especially towards the end. Clearly what he assembled was genius for so long.
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I think that's a little harsh, but I do find LvG interesting/pretty unusual/confusing.

It's not really that clear what he wants us to do on the pitch, as far as I can tell. In every game it feels like we're playing with the handbrake on, of sorts, and that we always play the safe pass or easy option rather than take a risk.

When we've got a more balanced squad (it is a bit all over the place), I expect better things. Having said that, the balance could be better, but we don't really lack talented creative players, and they don't seem to do a lot. Watch almost any other team and they create more, and look much more dangerous in general. I don't think it's beyond LvG to come up with a system that works well and wins things, and I definitely expect it.

The best thing about LvG so far is his management of the club in general (rather than on the pitch itself), compared to Moyes it's night and day. If the football toward the end of the season (regardless of position, unless we're top) looks the same as it has so far, then I think a change will be considered, with various other managers being available.
 
MissChief said:
Arsenal seem well up for this. Losing last week might have been a good thing.
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Really, that is such common Arsenal player/manager and now fan thinking. Losing will help us win the title. Yeah, sure, the attitude that to play well we have to lose the week before to get these arrogant idiots out of their comfort zone and believing they have to actually try?

As I type, again(I'm magic I am... or just take a long time typing), Palace score.


Simple fact is that losing to actually get back the will to play better is a completely ridiculous situation for any player or club to be in. We played okay against a poor Chelsea in a game no one cares about but Arsenal act like is a crucial game and thus played great.... so felt no need to improve for the West Ham game. Coquelin said in an Arsenal website interview that preseason had gone so well they thought they'd start the season well. This arrogance has been seen after any good result which is usually followed by an embarrassing loss.

Ozil last year saying along the lines of "I was in the world cup, I don't need to improve". The best players in the world, the best teams, none of them are happy with their current level. Champions become champiosn and stay champions precisely because they NEVER stop trying to improve, they never settle. Arsenal's motto could be "we think we're good enough".

No, losing is NEVER good, ever and players who stop trying because they think they are good enough realistically never win anything important. When Terry and other guys were asked about going the season unbeaten they would laugh it off saying all that matters is the next game, improving and maybe they can win the title if they keep trying hard. It's the polar opposite of the crap Arsenal players come out with after winning a few games in a row.
 
For the record, the Giroud finish was great. I say repeatedly that he is actually fantastic inside the box though that was about the limit of his dangerous range. It's everything else where he's so limited. I'd actually very much like to see him stay to be a back up striker/alternative tactics or bring him on for a more 4-4-2 when the game/situation warrants it. But he isn't good enough in his all around game, aside from finishing he's pretty terrible. Can't run with the ball, can't take on players, is a good header when given a free header but pretty bad winning the ball against defenders.

He's effectively a fox in the box and can be used well in certain games and as an impact sub when we need someone in the box but we need someone far better outside the box to lead this team to a league/european title.


EDIT:- Why didn't Cazorla shoot, then how did Monreal win that free kick, yeah a slight shove but it did nothing and a half second later he swan dived, exceptionally obvious as well.
 
drunkenmaster said:
For the record, the Giroud finish was great. I say repeatedly that he is actually fantastic inside the box though that was about the limit of his dangerous range. It's everything else where he's so limited. I'd actually very much like to see him stay to be a back up striker/alternative tactics or bring him on for a more 4-4-2 when the game/situation warrants it. But he isn't good enough in his all around game, aside from finishing he's pretty terrible. Can't run with the ball, can't take on players, is a good header when given a free header but pretty bad winning the ball against defenders.

He's effectively a fox in the box and can be used well in certain games and as an impact sub when we need someone in the box but we need someone far better outside the box to lead this team to a league/european title.
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He's not though. He won't run with the ball, but he's brilliant outside the box with his back to goal and players running beyond him. There's much more to his game than penalty area play.

He's perfect for Arsenal who have the midfielders to run beyond him and link up.
 
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