Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [16 - 17th March 2013]

I'm not sure what the FA could have done. If one of the officials confirms they saw the incident then they cannot retrospectively punish the player....
 
CliffyG said:
I heard on talk sport a ref saying it will be harder to do retrospective punishment as it wasn't an off the ball incident. How does that even make sense.
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The FA claim that they can't take retrospecitive action against incidents that were seen by the officials. I assume what the ref was getting at was that because it was an on the ball incident, the likelihood is that one or more of the officials would have seen it. Even if the officials don't get a clear view/don't see the full extent of the challenge, seeing the incident in some degree is enough to stop the FA taking retrospective action.

The FA's rule/excuse is ridiculous though. It shouldn't matter whether the officials saw the incident or not. I'm sure even the most stubborn of officials will accept that they make mistakes and would be happy for their decisions to be corrected.

edit: I'm not too sure about Newcastle's statement. I can't remember them releasing a similar statement last season when Cabaye got let off on the same technicality when he intentionally tried to injure Spearing.
 
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As above, it doesn't have to be clearly seen. The ref or one of the other officials saw the incident in some form. They made a decision (which was not even a free-kick) based on what they saw and therefore the FA say they can't change that.
 
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The full version:

FA statement: Callum McManaman

Wigan Athletic's Callum McManaman cannot face retrospective action

The FA can confirm that no action can be taken against Wigan Athletic's Callum McManaman retrospectively following his side's game against Newcastle United on Sunday 17 March 2013.

Following consultation with the game's stakeholders (the Premier League, the Football League, the Professional Footballers’ Association, the League Managers’ Association, Professional Game Match Officials Limited and the National Game) in the summer, it was agreed that retrospective action should only be taken in respect of incidents which have not been seen by the match officials.

Where one of the officials has seen a coming together of players, no retrospective action should be taken, regardless of whether he or she witnessed the full or particular nature of the challenge. This is to avoid the re-refereeing of incidents.

In the case of McManaman, it has been confirmed that at least one of the match officials saw the coming together, though not the full extent of the challenge. In these circumstances retrospective action cannot be taken.

The principal objective behind the not seen policy is to address off the ball incidents where match officials are unlikely to be in a position to witness misconduct.
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CliffyG said:
The ref already said he missed it and it should have been a red card.
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Did the ref say he didn't see the challenge/incident all together? One of the officials must have seen it, even from a crappy angle that might not show the severity of the tackle, as that's the reason why no punishment is being given.
 
Hmm i thought he said he didn't see it but according to the quote above either him or the linesman did but didn't see it properly.
 
Shambles.

Absolute shambles but it proves the game and the FA are a joke.

I bet if it had been a "big name" player there would have been some action taken. Hopefully someone will end a Wigan players career now and I wonder if Wigan will be so happy about it all.

******* farce but that's football these days.
 
The FA can do something as they have proved in the past. Ben Thatcher was booked for that 'elbow' and was also banned for 8 games. They just like to hide behind the same rules.
 
I don't think it was the referee who has said he seen the challenge. Quite clearly from the videos the linesman has seen the challenge clear as day. But for some bizarre reason has no done anything about it

Was this becuase the event happened on the other half of the pitch (i.e. not his side), therefore he felt he had no part to play in supporting the referee?

I personally think all the officials need a good shakeup, not just in England but across Europe. In the Europa league and Champions League we have these "extra officials" who stand by the goals and basically do nothing but hold a batton. They clearly have no authority and are there for show...

And I'm sure the statement from the FA is bull ****, we have seen retrospective punishment given when the referee has seen incidents. There are many examples when a standard 3 match punishment has been extended. So the referee has seen the incident, but the FA still feel like they can come in and add extra games to the ban. So why can't they here...
 
Gooner14 said:
The FA can do something as they have proved in the past. Ben Thatcher was booked for that 'elbow' and was also banned for 8 games. They just like to hide behind the same rules.
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What's worse is that they hide behind UEFA, claiming it's because of them that they can't 'rereferee' the game. The problem with that excuse is that UEFA do not allow appeals for red cards but the FA go against that and do allow appeals.
rossk26 said:
And I'm sure the statement from the FA is bull ****, we have seen retrospective punishment given when the referee has seen incidents. There are many examples when a standard 3 match punishment has been extended. So the referee has seen the incident, but the FA still feel like they can come in and add extra games to the ban. So why can't they here...
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As Gooner says, it has happened in the past with Ben Thatcher but other than that incident, I can't recall another time. This line/excuse from the FA is nothing new, we've seen it countless times before and as I said a few posts back, Newcastle themselves benefited from it when Cabaye got away with his challenge on Spearing last season.
 
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BaZ87 said:
What's worse is that they hide behind UEFA, claiming it's because of them that they can't 'referee' the game. The problem with that excuse is that UEFA do not allow appeals for red cards but the FA go against that and do allow appeals.
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I believe in France/Germany they actual ignore UEFA and hand out extra punishments, so it's just the FA who hide behind it for no real reason.
 
Well, I am shocked! I was expecting some sort of punishment for what was a reckless tackle. It may or may not have been intentionally dangerous or malicious, it certainly didn't look it; but seeing the tweets quoted above make me think that McManaman might not be as innocent as his club have tried to make out.
 
No1newts said:
Shambles.

Absolute shambles but it proves the game and the FA are a joke.

I bet if it had been a "big name" player there would have been some action taken. Hopefully someone will end a Wigan players career now and I wonder if Wigan will be so happy about it all.

******* farce but that's football these days.
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I'm pretty sure you don't actually mean that, you don't normally post anything that terrible :confused:
 
grimm said:
I'm pretty sure you don't actually mean that, you don't normally post anything that terrible :confused:
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I'm sure it was just a heat of the moment comment.

However I think we both can firmly agree we hope Wigan are relegated this season. I will be fully behind supporting all teams they play for the remainder of this season, and hoping Wigan lose.
 
Andybtsn said:
Blame Wigan over the FA?
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Hardly, regardless of the punishment the FA would or wouldn't have handed out. Dave Whelan's comments alone were horrendous, and Martinez was shocking with his post match comments:

"McManaman clearly won the ball"

"I can't comment, I haven't seen the tackle"

Contradicting a bit?
 
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