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Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [17th - 21st March 2017]
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It's Wenger, Walcott was kept for a decade before he had a 4 month period he was actually worth having in a team. Every player will have a brilliant spell of form and a bad spell of form, but you have to judge the player on their average form. Walcott over a decade has been near useless, Ramsey over his time at Arsenal, near useless. Wenger sees their best game ever and somehow believes that is what that player is capable of and keeps them based on the idea that eventually they'll find a way to play that well in every game. He's nuts, it doesn't work like that, no players are like that. Even Ronaldo and Messi have their ultra brilliant games , bad spells and an average that is below their absolute best. The difference is their average is absolutely phenomenal.
Ramsey's average is useless, he can't play central mid as defensively he's a monumental liability, he's been that way since he joined Arsenal. He also has been mostly very poor offensively except that one 6 month spell. He can't shoot well, he constantly shoots(or shot, he seems to have stopped doing it so much) from outside the box getting nowhere.
Ox is the same, the odd decent game but on average useless, also dire defensively. If they could produce their best game every game, sure they'd be fantastic players, but the whole point is they aren't capable of that. Judged on their average none of them should be at the club.
Ramsey's average is useless, he can't play central mid as defensively he's a monumental liability, he's been that way since he joined Arsenal. He also has been mostly very poor offensively except that one 6 month spell. He can't shoot well, he constantly shoots(or shot, he seems to have stopped doing it so much) from outside the box getting nowhere.
Ox is the same, the odd decent game but on average useless, also dire defensively. If they could produce their best game every game, sure they'd be fantastic players, but the whole point is they aren't capable of that. Judged on their average none of them should be at the club.
I think the issue is that Arsenals management have been happy with performing averagely for years and wouldn't sack Wenger without a serious nudge from somewhere. I think the fans are hoping to achieve that. Ultimately they are paying to attend games and have a right to voice their opinions.
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I don't think the signs for him to leave are disrespectful at all, for one thing he has been having constant pops at the fans for the past couple of years. Second, he's been this same manager with the same bad runs of games every single year for a decade now. Had he gone 7 years ago, we'd have had a few meh years following brilliant success and always loved him, he'd have gone out at the right time with no ill will from a single fan.
Had he gone 4-5 years ago after more meh predictable stupid years there would be a bit more ill will towards him and his unchanging attitude and the players he lost vs the players he kept, but still largely a good send off. At this point he's been around 5 years further, way too long, he's gotten more upset at the fans demanding something more, he's constantly saying snide things about fans.
Lately it's been, it's not his fault, Arsenal aren't playing badly, Arsenal fans are stupid and being fooled by bad pundits. Last year he had a pop at Arsenal fans who wanted their money(we are charged more than anyone else to watch them) spent on a better striker. Wenger called them several things, greedy, silly, and banged on about having 4 world class strikers(Giroud, Walcott, Sanchez, Welbeck... at the time he basically never played Sanchez through the middle). By January after complaining at the fans for wanting a striker, he was in the press talking about how we didn't have a world class striker.
At this stage I think Wenger has been disrespectful to the people who pay more than anyone else to come and see Arsenal week in week out.
EDIT:- Also people seem to forget that in the years before Wenger took over, Arsenal won the league in 90/91, we won the league cup in 92/93, the FA Cup in 93/94, the Uefa cup in 93/94....
It's not like Arsenal were 20 years without any success before he joined. Arsenal were plenty successful in the 5-6 years before he joined, much more so than the past 10 years. We also spent heavily, Arsenal/Utd traded years in which who spent more on wages. he didn't do it on a shoestring budget, we did it spending more than the majority of the league and by quite some margin. Also even back then Arsenal fans were paying through the teeth to enable that.
We had a fantastic defence he inherited and really needed someone to come in and provide more attacking edge. People also do the whole "he brought sports science to the game"... really it was just the time that almost everyone in the game in most major leagues started to take health more seriously.
He did great, but with that defence(something Wenger has never come close to matching since the last of the great defence left) and some great attackers I think a lot of managers could have done brilliantly in the same situation.
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Good 3-1 win for West Brom, theres a vacancy at the 'boro 
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A stat around on twitter, the 4 losses out of 5 games hasn't happened to Arsenal since 1995.
Also in the past month we've won only two games, Sutton and Lincoln.
Also in the past month we've won only two games, Sutton and Lincoln.
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A, we have a spell like this most years(though not usually quite as bad), B Wenger has often outed a new contract being offered, it's happened for the past 7-8 years every couple of years, never mattered.
The performances are causing the uncertainty about him signing a new contract, not the other way around.
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No, explain the logic behind it. Lots of people say that kind of thing, blindly, without even thinking about it.
But be honest, you're a footballer, your goal in football is to train to be better in matches, and play as well as you can in matches. Wenger is your manager, if Wenger or someone else is your manager next year... how does that change your on pitch performance?
Been hearing that kind of stuff about how it effects performances, but it's just a generic thing commentators/pundits say, there is zero logic behind it.
Yes, they may think about it, maybe a new manager will want to sell them, but maybe Wenger will want to move them on next year anyway, that is a normal part of life for a footballer. The same way a fight with the wife, or a sick kid, or a death in the family effect all footballers. It's a fight every game to put everything else out of your mind and perform your best.
And what does that make the Stoke defenders? They are constantly hacking Costa down and getting away with it, it is clear their game plan is to get Costa sent off.