Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [19 - 21st October 2012]

I expected City to kick on with bags of confidence and have a much better season this year. Yet they are very disappointing, I can't see them being a threat even in the last month of the season. They are quite lucky to have as many points as they do.
Well if we look at the teams we have played and the results we have got and compare them to the same teams last year we have got more points. Wouldn't say that is disappointing?
Chelsea have played two good teams in Tottenham who were poor today and Arsenal yet are only 4 points clear and haven't suffered any injury problems yet which could yet derail them.

It isn't luck it is having mental strength and ability. Utd have done it for yet and are lauded as `thats what champions do` but when City do it we are lucky :confused:

Infact we have been very unlucky to not win some games such as the Stoke match where we had blatant handball by Crouch goal for his goal not given. I am not saying we haven't been lucky either but still decisions like that.
 
Hmm quite a bad day really for us. Getting trounced by a team we outplayed last year shows how much we have regressed.

pingwing did you go to the game? (apologies if you've said previously in this thread). I had to rely on the radio and it didn't sound very positive.

Something is wrong within Saints and I really don't think Adkins is to blame. I'm not sure what exactly is the cause of this seasons results but it seems to be following the same path as when Pardew was in charge. The only logical explaination is Cortese and his influence on the team but that seems unfounded.

Also I fully believe that Guly should never play for us again after his drink driving charges. I used to be a fan of his in the Championship but to use him instead of Lambert or even Mayuka seems very strange. Once again the lack of defensive signings in the transfer window will cost us dearly.

I can't help but feel that the £18million spent on JRod and Gaston would have been better spent on decent defenders and an experienced Goalkeeper.

Edit: Adkins is far from blameless and has been at fault for his naive tactics and strange substitutions.
 
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Don't confuse not getting out of third gear with that level being the maximum a team is capable of, like I said earlier Chelsea have had some good results this season but on the other hand when they've played the very best (City, Madrid, Juventus) they've been largely outplayed and comfortably beaten.

Overall I don't think we have seen the best of any of the top teams, Chelsea have just made the most of this so far.

Both City and United have really been pushed for some of their results so it would be silly to right off Chelsea right now, of the teams we have to play home and away they are the one I am most worried about, could well have a new prem record of goals scored in the away fixture (when ever it is rescheduled).

Hmm quite a bad day really for us. Getting trounced by a team we outplayed last year shows how much we have regressed.

pingwing did you go to the game? (apologies if you've said previously in this thread). I had to rely on the radio and it didn't sound very positive.

Something is wrong within Saints and I really don't think Adkins is to blame. I'm not sure what exactly is the cause of this seasons results but it seems to be following the same path as when Pardew was in charge. The only logical explaination is Cortese and his influence on the team but that seems unfounded.

Also I fully believe that Guly should never play for us again after his drink driving charges. I used to be a fan of his in the Championship but to use him instead of Lambert or even Mayuka seems very strange. Once again the lack of defensive signings in the transfer window will cost us dearly.

I can't help but feel that the £18million spent on JRod and Gaston would have been better spent on decent defenders and an experienced Goalkeeper.

Edit: Adkins is far from blameless and has been at fault for his naive tactics and strange substitutions.

Yeah I went :( (a mate wanted to go and I can't say no to a game that is 40 mins from where I live)

We out played them completely too, they are a TERRIBLE l2 team who know how to draw **** nothing fouls and get their way with the ref. Carroll is a worthless lump of this and we let him dive under challenge so many times someone should have walked up to him and just stamped him to put Carroll out of his diving misery. It was shocking.

Guly was one of our best players with Steven Davis, actually strung passes together, got forward when he needed too, got back when he had too. Puncheon was the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen (again) by comparison, just ran into dead ends, kicked into nothing under pressure and couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag.

Adkins can't be sacked because he is stuck with what we have, CB's with no composure/confidence, a pressure to play the "experienced" keepers who are both USELESS is undermining the club. I am under the impression we are having to live up to contracts opposed to form. So Boruc is signed as first team and has finally gotten close to fitness to show that he's worse than Gazza. Same for Punch that he's contracted to be first team and we are having to live up to that despite being a shocking footballer.

Gaston is the buy I will defend till the cows come home, best player at the club, we wont see anyone as good as him for a long time.

Rodriguez was best part of 12m too much. Burnley owe us a lot of money/karma for taking that waste of space off their hands. He is just useless, overhyped and English, like most of the u21's int team. Has to go on loan at christmas to score some goals as he'll never get them in the prem.

We could have blown all our funds on a keeper and some over rated CB's but we would have been in the same position, Gazza is the best keeper at the club and the million we spent on him just shows he is a bargain. We should be playing him the other 30 prem games let just to get him ready for a season in the champ followed by a return to the prem. He's good enough, Jos isn't, Maya isn't and Fonte probably isn't (Seaborne is already out in the knackers yard) which sums up the problem. We have no CB's who can do the job, overall they all get into some sort of mad "the prem is amazing" syndrome that means they fold like cards.

Only thing we can do is buy madly in jan or at least get a coach in to scream at them till then as it is just poor defending that is repeatedly costing us.

On the plus side Clyne should be good enough just, Lallana is good enough (glad we have hung on to him), Lambert is prem quality though it is a shame EVERY team's solution is to man mark him with 2/3 players to take him out the game. We also have the midfield to win games as Schniderlin, Davis, Cork and JWP are all excellent in the middle, just need to take a few more chances to put games to bed quicker and stop giving rubbish teams nothing goals (Fulham comes to mind for that description).

I am worried because teams will start turning up expecting points against us and we will give them because some of the team can't handle the prem, despite it being horribly over rated.

Oh last edit, Mayuka isn't a winger, it shows badly. When we did the subs today we didn't mix it up to where people would be best, Mayuka should have gone up top with Lambert as the "no 10" in the hole, Lallana out on the left with Guly right. Instead we stuck out with straight swaps so Mayuka was stick in the same position punch was which didn't help him, Lambert wasn't best up top and Lallana isn't a in the hole player. Frustrating as I thought after "sub gate" against United we had gotten over the Burley thing of playing people out of position but we are back at it again because of a lack of something.
 
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Yeah I went :( (a mate wanted to go and I can't say no to a game that is 40 mins from where I live)

We out played them completely too, they are a TERRIBLE l2 team who know how to draw **** nothing fouls and get their way with the ref. Carroll is a worthless lump of this and we let him dive under challenge so many times someone should have walked up to him and just stamped him to put Carroll out of his diving misery. It was shocking.

Guly was one of our best players with Steven Davis, actually strung passes together, got forward when he needed too, got back when he had too. Puncheon was the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen (again) by comparison, just ran into dead ends, kicked into nothing under pressure and couldn't manage his way out of a paper bag.

Adkins can't be sacked because he is stuck with what we have, CB's with no composure/confidence, a pressure to play the "experienced" keepers who are both USELESS is undermining the club. I am under the impression we are having to live up to contracts opposed to form. So Boruc is signed as first team and has finally gotten close to fitness to show that he's worse than Gazza. Same for Punch that he's contracted to be first team and we are having to live up to that despite being a shocking footballer.

Gaston is the buy I will defend till the cows come home, best player at the club, we wont see anyone as good as him for a long time.

Rodriguez was best part of 12m too much. Burnley owe us a lot of money/karma for taking that waste of space off their hands. He is just useless, overhyped and English, like most of the u21's int team. Has to go on loan at christmas to score some goals as he'll never get them in the prem.

We could have blown all our funds on a keeper and some over rated CB's but we would have been in the same position, Gazza is the best keeper at the club and the million we spent on him just shows he is a bargain. We should be playing him the other 30 prem games let just to get him ready for a season in the champ followed by a return to the prem. He's good enough, Jos isn't, Maya isn't and Fonte probably isn't (Seaborne is already out in the knackers yard) which sums up the problem. We have no CB's who can do the job, overall they all get into some sort of mad "the prem is amazing" syndrome that means they fold like cards.

Only thing we can do is buy madly in jan or at least get a coach in to scream at them till then as it is just poor defending that is repeatedly costing us.

Do you think a defensive coach could fix our problems or are they more deeply rooted into our formation/tactics?

I was surprised to see Gazza dropped for Boruc but from what I've seen over the years Boruc is an excellent keeper. Hopefully Boruc was just rusty today and can show his true ability against Spurs, although I think we'll destroyed by them next week.

On a side note do you think MLT statements this week have any credence or is it just sour grapes?
 
That was a great response today, when we went behind out of the blue I thought it was game over but we, Mata especially, did brilliantly to nick the points.
We missed Terry's organisation today but I guess they missed Bale so meh.
Away wins at Arsenal & Spuds will always help your season :)
Do Chelsea only have one chant or something?
Which one are you on about?
'We know what we are'
'Double, double, double'
'Carefree'
'Flying high.'
At least all those were sung away today, not sure if Arsenal managed even 1 song, but that's what you expect from their fans.

Cahill - 'Fantastic' that racist John Terry and general terrible human has kept the captains arm band.

You stay classy Chelsea :cool:

Big mistake Chelsea allowing that muppet to keep the captains armband. Sending out the message that its fine to be a racist and still keep the armband. Quite an unbelievable stance by Chelsea on the whole.

Lost all respect for Chelsea, not that i had a lot for them originally.

Racist? Get a grip girls.

Indeed, says a lot about the Chelsea fans as a whole :/

That's a real bigoted view you have there, same old Spawn then.

Don't confuse not getting out of third gear with that level being the maximum a team is capable of, like I said earlier Chelsea have had some good results this season but on the other hand when they've played the very best (City, Madrid, Juventus) they've been largely outplayed and comfortably beaten.
Except we were neither outplayed or beaten by Juventus.
 
Do you think a defensive coach could fix our problems or are they more deeply rooted into our formation/tactics?

I was surprised to see Gazza dropped for Boruc but from what I've seen over the years Boruc is an excellent keeper. Hopefully Boruc was just rusty today and can show his true ability against Spurs, although I think we'll destroyed by them next week.

On a side note do you think MLT statements this week have any credence or is it just sour grapes?

A defensive coach could solve some of it, I don't think Fonte, Maya or Jos are really long term prem CB's but they could improve massively if someone spent a lot of time coaching them properly. All 3 of them (and fox) are letting "the pressure" get to them for no reason so some proper training to where they should be and the attitude of how to win the ball with the attacker looking like they dived would help.

Gazza shouldn't have been dropped today for anything less than a broken leg. I know Boruc is supposed to be good but what I saw today is he is a headless shouty chicken. He came for a few thankfully, but was worryingly inconsistent for when he would and wouldn't come (wheyyyy). He tried to command the back line but just wasn't consistent which is where Gazza had a real strength, Gazza has been consistent in what he needs from the back 4 which has generally helped, despite Jos not listening to him.

I think Boruc will start against Spurs, despite not deserving to at all. We probably will let in another 4 against them and then someone will put Gazza back in because this is silly pretending we have anyone better.

MLT thing this week has clearly been his season ticket being flagged with MLT lending it to someone else and they were booted out for Fulham at home. Dull and irrelevant stuff really as the club had to stop just handing out tickets to a few thousand people who went in the 60's and fought Dodsey's corner in a bar brawl once. Just one of those "can't share season ticket" moments with a club legend. Bit sad that it has been a weapon of war considering MLT is probably still sore he couldn't buy the club back when we went to L1. I stand by that would have ended up in the biggest mess possible and probably being where Luton are now if MLT bought it. Would have given the manager position to ex-saints players who have no clue where to take the club. Might have been a happy place for all the old people about but a financial ruin in the real world.


Only in here could a team lose 4-1 and someone claim they completely outplayed the other team.... It is quite impressive really.

:D

That's how TERRIBLE West Ham's first 3 were, just absolutely nothing goals, from nothing fouls, from nothing set pieces. It's being "Fat Sam-ed" being schooled in the worst excuse of football I have ever seen.

We scored from a 15 min spell of possession where their only touch was to put it out for a throw. We had that much when Lambert took a free kick we should have gone on to score again, but for that nonsense penalty (which sadly was a pen, but for hand ball not the foul on Carroll that was given).

West Ham will stay up for now, but will get found out eventually because they play some other game unlike football, it's terrible and a little bit depressing.
 
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Only in here could a team lose 4-1 and someone claim they completely outplayed the other team.... It is quite impressive really.

Sorry are you referring to what I said? If so I'm sorry but I was talking about last season in the Championship, not todays match where we were beaten easily.
 
It was a tongue in cheek response to one of pingwings comments, unless I read it wrong he claimed that you completely outplayed West Ham today? My phone is not allowing me to quote/use smiles(well anything really)
 
Sorry are you referring to what I said? If so I'm sorry but I was talking about last season in the Championship, not todays match where we were beaten easily.

I was thinking it probably was me with we lost 4-1 but completely out played them on the pitch... (the hard way of saying we had 60% of the possession, all of the good attacking movements and conceded 3 soft goals to loose 4-1)


It was a tongue in cheek response to one of pingwings comments, unless I read it wrong he claimed that you completely outplayed West Ham today? My phone is not allowing me to quote/use smiles(well anything really)


Phew did get it right! :D

We did out play them, apart from the conceding goals we played a lot of decent football, they played none. How to out play someone despite getting destroyed :p (starting to look forward to the prospect of the champ again, it'll be cheaper)
 
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I was thinking it probably was me with we lost 4-1 but completely out played them on the pitch... (the hard way of saying we had 60% of the possession, all of the good attacking movements and conceded 3 soft goals to loose 4-1)

Phew did get it right! :D

We did out play them, apart from the conceding goals we played a lot of decent football, they played none. How to out play someone despite getting destroyed :p (starting to look forward to the prospect of the champ again, it'll be cheaper)

Oops I think the amount of drink in my system has clouded my judgement. Regardless of this seasons failures, we've come a long way since our 1st league 1 game :D
It's far too easy to become complacent after what we've achieved.
 
Racist? Get a grip girls.

Can you explain? I mean, you can't prove that Terry isn't racist, and the fact that he was charged suggests that he is. The only reason they didn't find him guilty at the High Court was that it was a criminal case where the burden of proof was greater, and they couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was guilty. The FA found him guilty on the balance of probability, a lower standard of proof, so there must be reasonable evidence to suggest he made racist comments directed at Ferdinand.

I completely agree with the other posters that these clubs supporting their players despite not just being accused of racism but actually being charged and found guilty of it, is extremely unhealthy. It's definitely not helping the 'Kick it out' campaign that the players were all wearing t-shirts for today. Also, fans sticking by their players doesn't help either, it's the kind of mindless tribalism and fanaticism present in football (and anything else that creates devoted fans or followers) that really baffles me. You could hear Spurs fans booing Terry (which he fully deserves), but then Chelsea fans applauding him in return whenever he got the ball, which in my opinion is pretty moronic.
 
Oops I think the amount of drink in my system has clouded my judgement. Regardless of this seasons failures, we've come a long way since our 1st league 1 game :D
It's far too easy to become complacent after what we've achieved.

:D

The thing to remember is Wayne Thomas at CB... No matter how bad it looks right now we don't have that thug pretending he is a professional football in our ranks.

Other mentions go to Oliver Lancashire and Jon Otsemobor! Just so long as we don't finish 20th or 19th this season won't be a write off.
 
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The thing to remember is Wayne Thomas at CB... No matter how bad it looks right now we don't have that thug pretending he is a professional football in our ranks.

Other mentions go to Oliver Lancashire and Jon Otsemobor! Just so long as we don't finish 20th or 19th this season won't be a write off.

Thanks! I'd tried so hard to forget about Thomas, Lancashire and Otsemobor!
I fear the answer to this but how much did we spend on Thomas back in the day? :o

I didn't think I'd be asking this question but do you think Adkins is the right man for the job?
 
Thanks! I'd tried so hard to forget about Thomas, Lancashire and Otsemobor!
I fear the answer to this but how much did we spend on Thomas back in the day? :o

I didn't think I'd be asking this question but do you think Adkins is the right man for the job?

£1.2m was spent on Thomas, 200k more than we spent on Lambert... :eek: (I prefer to remember as a comfort that it always was a lot worse than right now)

Adkins is the right man for the job without a doubt, we can finish 20th on a new points low for the prem and he is still the right man for the job (provided we sell no one and dominate the champ). He hasn't made any "out of his depth" mistakes, he's been as good as McDermott and is just struggling with the weight of expectation from winning consistently over the last 2 seasons.

My trump card is who could we possibly replace him with? I think Pepe Guada is the best shout but that's madness (he's lining him self up for the city job or to replace Fergie at United) so the only other option is Jürgen Klinsmann.... :cool:
 
£1.2m was spent on Thomas, 200k more than we spent on Lambert... :eek: (I prefer to remember as a comfort that it always was a lot worse than right now)

Adkins is the right man for the job without a doubt, we can finish 20th on a new points low for the prem and he is still the right man for the job (provided we sell no one and dominate the champ). He hasn't made any "out of his depth" mistakes, he's been as good as McDermott and is just struggling with the weight of expectation from winning consistently over the last 2 seasons.

My trump card is who could we possibly replace him with? I think Pepe Guada is the best shout but that's madness (he's lining him self up for the city job or to replace Fergie at United) so the only other option is Jürgen Klinsmann.... :cool:

Fully agree except Pep is lining up the Chelsea job for next year. It's a shame that the Prem is stronger this year with Blackburn and Birmingham out of it because we could easily survive with them in it.

Reading were immense last season but I always thought that they would struggle this season. As much as I dislike Fat Sams style of play I thought they would be fine this season.

Edit: 1.2m On Thomas? Nooo. How can anyone be that foolish?
 
Why should fans have to police it? They don't pay their ticket fees to fight with scumbags like him. Why should they get involved when there are people there paid and trained to deal with the problem?

Why should anyone help a situation when they're not being paid or haven't been trained to deal with it then?

I think fans should self police to an extent, just like any community, the Leeds fans were quick to provide his name after the game, why couldn't they have grabbed him and slung him out?

Every so often there is one idiot that comes and watches one game near us and if he says something out of order he's quickly put in his place.

To be honest though Gilly, the South Yorkshire Police didn't cover themselves in much glory either, their response to an out of control Leeds crowd was utterly terrible and inept. It took them bloody ages to come out. Put it one way, we were all shouting for the Police to come out and it wasn't until after Kirkland was attacked that the Police came out, and even then it wasn't straight away. The Leeds fans in the far corner were out of control quite a time before that.

I've never seen crowd trouble like that before, or on that scale, first hand. It was distressing seeing it kick off and I felt really sorry for anyone that bought kids (except the little gob ***** a few rows in front of me), the total lack of response by the Police didn't fill me with any confidence.
 
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Happened to bump into this gif, its amazing. Suarez has come in, tried to murder someone and though the gif stops you can clearly see he's already pretending he's injured :p
 
Can you explain? I mean, you can't prove that Terry isn't racist, and the fact that he was charged suggests that he is. The only reason they didn't find him guilty at the High Court was that it was a criminal case where the burden of proof was greater, and they couldn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that he was guilty. The FA found him guilty on the balance of probability, a lower standard of proof, so there must be reasonable evidence to suggest he made racist comments directed at Ferdinand.

He wasn't charged nor found guilty of being racist, apart from that, errm, no thats it.

Making a racist remark and being racist are entirely different things. You can be racist and never, in your life make a racist remark, you can not be a racist and make a racist remark, or you can be and do both. If Terry was racist the fairly obvious thing would be, other people having accused him of being racist, black people in his own team, black ex team members standing up to say he wasn't.

If he was, they would have all come out and called him a ****. Think about it, the Sun, the everything else, none of them found any ex team mates, any current prem league players, any guys in clubs he's made racist remarks to?

You can call someone a black ****, without believing all black people are inferior, just like you can call someone a fat ****< or a ginger ****, or a scottish ****, or whatever else, and not believe have that automatically mean you're anti fat people, ginger, scottish, etc.

Most people, Evra included didn't think that Suarez is racist, I hate Suarez, I don't think he's a racist, I think he used a racist term to wind up a black person, because he thought that is the thing that would wind him up the most, not because he's black and therefore had to wind him up because he hates black people.

Intent is just about everything in life. You can't know Terry's intent, nor Suarez's, but on the evidence available, as in, one time incidents and no other accusals and not a single other story emerging(look at Saville, ONE story turned into dozens almost overnight, none of the mud slinging papers conjured up a single other person either was "racist" to?), suggests to me neither is racist. Asking clubs to fire players over a single remark that doesn't encapsulate who they are is simply completely stupid, and wrong.
 
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