Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [19 - 23rd April 2013]

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You are 15 points clean of the people fighting mid-table. Generally speaking yes, you are roughly mid-table but you have way more points than the teams 10th ish.

The handball where he scored was against Crawley Town was it?

Also the Ghana one was just taking the pee. Would you think it ok to just stick your whole team on the line and have any of them take a red for the team if you were in the final of the Champions league and one nil up in the 90th minute?

We are still mid table and garbage at getting results.

That definitely did not look on purpose and their manager agreed :)

No, that is a bit more premeditated, I can easily imagine most players sticking their hand up in the last minute to block it, I mean ideally you wouldn't want to win like that but cheating happens so much in different forms I wouldn't be devastated if we did. (Yes I'd be outraged and a child if we lost to that, I'm a hypocrite, like every other football fan.)
 
We are still mid table and garbage at getting results.

That definitely did not look on purpose and their manager agreed :)

The manager did, his fine fine wife and a lot of the fans didn't ;)

No, that is a bit more premeditated, I can easily imagine most players sticking their hand up in the last minute to block it, I mean ideally you wouldn't want to win like that but cheating happens so much in different forms I wouldn't be devastated if we did. (Yes I'd be outraged and a child if we lost to that, I'm a hypocrite, like every other football fan.)

I really wouldn't be happy about it if my team did that to be honest but there wouldn't be a lot that can be done other than say he made a mistake.

I think that most of us just feel like its always Suarez. Everyone is saying that they are punishing the man instead of the crime. Thats what happens when you have such a bad rep. Anything controversial he could do, he seems to do.

Its like the criminal justice system. At some point you have done so much that you are just labelled a bad egg and have used up your "mistakes".
 
Actually wasn't that the really ugly owner and his wife?

How many times has Suarez been convicted of violent conduct?

I can't be arsed speaking on it anymore, Suarez's stupidity makes me angry along with the FA's superior stupidity.

Rodger's spoke very well on it not long ago

Ahaha nick clegg talking about it, brilliant
 
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Actually wasn't that the really ugly owner and his wife?

How many times has Suarez been convicted of violent conduct?

Seems it was Mansfield town not Crawley. Check out the chairmans wife though. Boy done good.

He has been done twice for biting, should have been done for stamping at least once and he has punched a few people.

This is quite a nice video of some of his "tackles" as well. They are not reckless, they are just plain nasty. Late doesn't cover a few of them. He goes out of his way to hurt the player quite often.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xz740a_luis-suarez-not-just-a-diver_sport?start=39#.UXlFSyuglTQ
 
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Actually wasn't that the really ugly owner and his wife?

How many times has Suarez been convicted of violent conduct?

I can't be arsed speaking on it anymore, Suarez's stupidity makes me angry along with the FA's superior stupidity.

Rodger's spoke very well on it not long ago

Ahaha nick clegg talking about it, brilliant

Whats that got to do with it. When someone commits a robbery, the sentence he gets is different wheter he only robbed a store before, murdered someone before, never did anything before.

If you work somewhere and make a medium sized mistake, if you've made no before maybe you get put on probation, if you've made the same mistake before, maybe you get fired, if you've made numerous other different mistakes, maybe you get fired, maybe its less serious mistakes and you don't get fired, etc, etc.

There is no reason his racism, huge yellow card count, behaviour on the pitch, previous conduct, the lying he did during the racism trial, isn't all taken into account. Why would anyone think, and where is the logic in ignoring anything previous that isn't an identical offence?
 
Whats that got to do with it. When someone commits a robbery, the sentence he gets is different wheter he only robbed a store before, murdered someone before, never did anything before.

If you work somewhere and make a medium sized mistake, if you've made no before maybe you get put on probation, if you've made the same mistake before, maybe you get fired, if you've made numerous other different mistakes, maybe you get fired, maybe its less serious mistakes and you don't get fired, etc, etc.

There is no reason his racism, huge yellow card count, behaviour on the pitch, previous conduct, the lying he did during the racism trial, isn't all taken into account. Why would anyone think, and where is the logic in ignoring anything previous that isn't an identical offence?

Can I get a source on this being the rules or law in football , especially things happening in different leagues and countries, thanks :)
 
Can I get a source on this being the rules or law in football , especially things happening in different leagues and countries, thanks :)

There is no rule covering it as far as I know but you cannot deny that it will have an effect on their punishment. They take the players intent into consideration when punishing them so when someone is committing the same offence as they have before, its hard to take it as a rash moment or a mistake.
 
There is no reason his racism, huge yellow card count, behaviour on the pitch, previous conduct, the lying he did during the racism trial, isn't all taken into account. Why would anyone think, and where is the logic in ignoring anything previous that isn't an identical offence?
Racism trial? Lying? Where is that garbage coming from? Didn't they just believe one version of events over another at a HEARING?

And 19 yellow cards in 100+ games is not huge no matter how you word it.

Edit: Talking of Suarez, how can the FA come up with a punishment so fast yet take 24 hours to publish the reason why leaving us only 24 hours to decide whether to appeal or not :confused:
 
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Racism trial? Lying? Where is that garbage coming from? Didn't they just believe one version of events over another?

And 19 yellow cards in 100+ games is not huge no matter how you word it.

10 in 33 this season paints a very different picture to your 19 in 100+, and that factors in.

Lying, he came up with an entire list of things he did, he said in the trial that he pinched Evra's skin "in a jokey way" to make peace, and one of the MAIN reasons they decided not to believe Suarez's entire story is the video of him pinching Evra's skin and saying something, he clearly looked angry, and was very clearly NOT joking. He was coming up with excuses, I didn't call him n*****, I said something that is totally a nice thing to say where I come from, I didn't pinch his skin and say it again, I was yeah, errm, I was having a joke with Evra... with which pinching his skin was intergral, while I say things about his skin colour.... LOL.

The decided Suarez was lying for multiple reasons, not least his story changed several times and he made several poor excuses for why several of the things he did weren't bad. Whether they were lies or not isn't particularly relevant, the panel who decided he was guilty determined he was lying, and guilty of racially abusing another player several times, and you have to be utterly deluded to think that doesn't come into punishments when further problems come up.

As for the law, its a fundamental principle across the globe that punishments get worse the more "stuff" you do. America's third strike rule isn't uncommon across the planet, some other countries have almost the same thing, others follow it in principle without the specific rule.

You honestly, without simply trying to find excuses for Suarez, think three men, all found guilty of the same type of mugging, get the same sentence when one it was his first ever crime, another guy had mugged 10 people before, and the third guy has done 20 years in jail for murder. You HONESTLY think they'll all get the same sentence?

Even Rodgers has banged on about a TWELVE game ban being fair, just with 6 suspended, because he thinks the FA's job is rehabilitation, not punishment. Yeah, rehabilitation would be the FA's job if he was in their custody for the ban, its not, its Liverpool's job to as Rodger's put it "put the carrot infront of Suarez". Firstly Suarez has had suspended bans before and still done ludicrous things, so suspended bans clearly don't mean **** to Suarez, secondly its up to Liverpool to change Suarez, if they can be arsed, not the FA, thirdly, this is now his third major ban in 3 years, smaller bans DID NOT WORK, suspended bans DID NOT WORK, pretty big bans DID NOT WORK, the only option left was an even bigger ban, anyone that can't see that is so utterly blind its embarrassing.

Every single other incident where the player has done something so completely unacceptable, the club has come out, said its unacceptable and banned the player, Liverpool came out, said, yeah, it wasn't great, but we believe its only worth a 3 match ban, oh, and we'll fine him a bit, but we're not going to ban him. We've done nothing to calm him down, we clearly condone his behaviour, and we think we're above the law so 3 match ban it is please.........

Once again Liverpool put the worse possible face on another disaster. Every time Suarez spends an entire game screaming at the ref, and you don't give him a fine... .stupid. Every time he goes around jumping in on players, stamping on ankles, diving, handballing through to the next cup round, and you do nothing to the player, you are saying "keep doing what you're doing". If at any stage LIverpool actually said to Suarez, "hey, stop being such a god damned **** ", maybe, just maybe he would never have done the bite.
 
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Every time he goes around jumping in on players, stamping on ankles, diving, handballing through to the next cup round, and you do nothing to the player, you are saying "keep doing what you're doing".
That's not a problem with Suarez, that's a problem with the FA and football punishments in general.

Perhaps if they came down harder on cheats like Pires a decade ago football would be better now :)

If at any stage LIverpool actually said to Suarez, "hey, stop being such a god damned **** ", maybe, just maybe he would never have done the bite.
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Sports/...suarez-over-diving-scandal.ashx#axzz2RUOmGkwc
 
Who said he would learn? The point I was making is that those people saying Liverpool should sell him have not made any suggestions about him learning or changing. They're seemingly happy for him to join another a club and carry on as he is - he just can't stay at Liverpool.

I was trying to suggest that if he isn't going to learn can you as a team (ie on the pitch) afford to be without your best player every year or so often for extended periods.

Off the pitch pressure is just as important consideration - whatever results he brings in. By all means bring in Cantona, but the WWW wasn't anywhere as prevelant as it is now, and the media/ external pressure on the club (as a business if nothing else) will only grow with every future mis-demenour.


- and taking Liverpool out of it completely, if you were a big player looking for an EPL move, would you honestly consider the same team (don't get me wrong, with him they are a very good side - but if further bans come along, which kind of seem inevitable at this point - would you risk having a lot of the pressure on you while he was banned? Or go somewhere else........


I guess the club have already forgotten - or otherwise they don't think biting is "unacceptable", as the punishment this time is basically a slap on the wrist.

Not sure how Liverpool fans can criticize the FA when their own club act so similarly lol

Edit: Talking of Suarez, how can the FA come up with a punishment so fast yet take 24 hours to publish the reason why leaving us only 24 hours to decide whether to appeal or not :confused:

I wouldn't complain if I were you, its in Liverpool's favour that they haven't given you that long to appeal.

Or do you want the whole ban across one season - when the affect of the ban will be far worse?
 
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Brendan Rogers said:
He has not let me down one bit

Guess he must have pretty low standards / expectations then - a lot of of people associated with Liverpool would likely feel at least 'a bit' let down by Suarez.
 
That's not a problem with Suarez, that's a problem with the FA and football punishments in general.

Perhaps if they came down harder on cheats like Pires a decade ago football would be better now :)

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/Sports/...suarez-over-diving-scandal.ashx#axzz2RUOmGkwc

There is nothing stopping Rodgers actually punishing Suarez themselves if the FA won't, but they didn't.

Guess he must have pretty low standards / expectations then - a lot of of people associated with Liverpool would likely feel at least 'a bit' let down by Suarez.

Yes, Rodgers(or Liverpool in general) change their tune every three seconds. Actions speak louder than words because you can say anything and not mean it. Rodgers says Suarez cheated and it was bad, yet later on, Suarez hasn't let him down one bit(e), which is it? Because Liverpool say a lot of crap in the press, but say completely opposing things later, neither can be believed. Press relations and saying the right thing is press/fan management, neither is managing the player. If instead of publically making himself look good by putting Suarez down publically because thats what the public wanted to hear, and if he said nothing and gave Suarez a fine and a 2 game ban to think about what he did, maybe he'd have thought maybe what he did was wrong.


If at work one employee keeps doing, say a spreadsheet, wrong, do you blame the spreadsheet maker for not making something the idiot can do right? Or is it the employer's fault for never actually doing anything about the employee getting it wrong? Wait, is it okay of the employer tells the client whose work got messed up that they are disappointed in the employee.... but not actually doing anything to the employee to rectify the situation or fix future problems?

This was coming, Suarez does stuff EVERY SINGLE GAME, be it a dive, a handball, a bite, screaming at the ref, a stamp, another dive, or as is so often the case, a brand new combination of MANY of these things each game. How could anyone not see it coming, why, because as yet every time Suarez does something wrong we get Rodgers with his "haha, he's mental, I love it, I love him, he wins us games, we love his aggressiveness, we love it" crap after most games. When there is enough public outrage over something he's done he changes his tune and goes into "errm, yeah, we're disappointed in him, no really, its terrible he's so aggressive and wins at all costs", next week its back to congratulating the attitude.

Thing is, Liverpool fans, and Rodgers, love it when he gets away with his cheating and he wins you games, but think its not his/Liverpool's fault when he does get caught doing something wrong and is punished for it. Can't have it both ways, punish him, teach him he's wrong, and stop rewarding his terrible behaviour with praise, or stop complaining when he gets done for his behaviour.

How many times in the past, even 2 months has Baz posted something along the lines of "he's mental but I love him, the team is better with him". This is what Rodgers and the whole club portrays, they love it when he's winning games for you with his cheating, mental attitude, but part of Suarez being like that is his massive cheating, you can't love his behaviour and attitude, then complain when he gets done for all the nasty things he does. How much talk was there after the last incident that LIverpool should get rid because he WILL do it again, and how much did Liverpool fans say, can't get rid, he's too good and you love him. Suarez is a great footballer, a horrendous cheat, and a complete ****, the good part of Suarez COMES with the bad, you can't love and accept the good part and complain when he gets in trouble for the bad, its a joke.

As before, if LIverpool fans simply said, 10 games, big ban, but he deserves it, but he's so good we'll put up with the nasty side of his game, I'd respect that, but its all love him when he's doing stuff wrong and getting away with it, and complaining when he doesn't.
 
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I was trying to suggest that if he isn't going to learn can you as a team (ie on the pitch) afford to be without your best player every year or so often for extended periods.

Off the pitch pressure is just as important consideration - whatever results he brings in. By all means bring in Cantona, but the WWW wasn't anywhere as prevelant as it is now, and the media/ external pressure on the club (as a business if nothing else) will only grow with every future mis-demenour.


- and taking Liverpool out of it completely, if you were a big player looking for an EPL move, would you honestly consider the same team (don't get me wrong, with him they are a very good side - but if further bans come along, which kind of seem inevitable at this point - would you risk having a lot of the pressure on you while he was banned? Or go somewhere else........

I'm not sure what you're asking/getting at that I haven't already answered Frank.

The talk of the so called damage he does to the club is massively exaggerated. Both from a football side of things and the commercial side of things Suarez still brings more positives than negatives. Would it be better if he was available 100% of the time? Yes. Would it be better from a PR/commercial point of view if he didn't bite somebody? Yes but I can safely say that Suarez brings in more sponsors, shirt sales, points on the pitch and more players want to play with him than they would Daniel Sturridge.
 
If we appeal am I right in saying that the suspension does not start until after the appeal ? what I am thinking is that if we do and it stays the same we may end up getting him available for a pointless game this season and losing him for 1 more next season
 
If we appeal am I right in saying that the suspension does not start until after the appeal ? what I am thinking is that if we do and it stays the same we may end up getting him available for a pointless game this season and losing him for 1 more next season

As I understand it the suspension for three matches begins with immediate effect. The appeal is for the additional seven games so if rejected it will in effect be continuous.
 
"Suarez grew up in a country that's about survival"

actual real life lol at this rodgers quote, liverpool seem to be developing a habit of making themselves look like idiots to everyone but their own fans.

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