And what's your point? Even if it was "off the ball" (which I interpret differently to you - I think that means it's a tackle on a player not in possession of the ball) the rules still do not stipulate that it must be a red card
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I get the argument you're making but it really doesn't apply here. Son's committed a tactical foul but he's not used any unnecessary force and his challenge in isolation would almost certainly not cause an injury. The injury has come about because of some really unfortunate circumstances. Unless you're rewriting the rules and are outlawing tactical fouls for sporting reasons, rather than the health and safety of players, then that is never a red card.
Tackles like the one from Choudhury on Salah the other week or the one on Rashford yesterday, you have a point. In both of these instances there was no attempt to play the ball and they've not just tripped the opponent, they've used unnecessary force to bring them down. It's situations like these, where a tactical foul has been committed and put the opponent in danger by using far more force than needed to commit that foul, that red cards should be issued.
He bas zero chance of getting the ball so VAR will see it as violent conduct.
I dont see a difference. Whether they play for Liverpool or Everton I am bloody sick of seeing "tactical fouls" lauded as some bloody achievement. Its cheating...its dangerous
But now you're just rewriting the rules.
It's not cheating, don't be ridiculous. The player making the foul is aware that there's a probability that he'll receive a yellow or red card, but can decide that that's a risk worth taking if it'll help his team. Cheating suggests that it's underhanded - the player committing the tactical foul is doing nothing underhanded at all
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It’s dangerous because of a freak injury? Son could have got the ball cleanly and the injury could still have occurred.
I hate tactical fouls. Yellow is enough for me though. The only problem I have is the teams (city) giving away fouls quickly in the opposition box the second possession is lost. Many times this gets missed and it is intentional to stop a break when you have players committed, but it rarely gets punished as the attack hasn’t really started yet.
My post had nothing to do with Liverpool or Everton and I consciously included the challenge on Rashford yesterday for that very reason. A tactical foul on it's own is not dangerous, how it's committed might make it dangerous though. As I said, if you want to rewrite the rules because you think tactical fouls ruin the game then fine but that's another argument and I'm sure there will be plenty of support for it but if your argument is that they risk injury then you might as well outlaw every type of tackle because every challenge on the pitch has the potential to lead to an injury, no matter how innocent.
What Son done today was no more dangerous than pulling someone's shirt, any legal slide challenge or even two players going shoulder to shoulder. Gomes has been knocked off balance and 99.99999% of the time he falls over and is completely unharmed. It was pure chance that he's landed in a way and then collided with another Spurs player that's resulted in a serious injury. Had Son just hacked Gomes down or flew through the back of him then I'd have been in complete agreement with you.
I think going for someones legs is a lot more dangerous then pulling someones shirt.
Like ive said...Son isnt getting the ball, he isnt even going for it...hes going to bring him down which makes it violent conduct.
He doesnt mean to snap his ankle obviously but his stupid and pointless challenge could end a career. Its a red.
Like ive said...Son isnt getting the ball, he isnt even going for it...hes going to bring him down which makes it violent conduct.
He doesnt mean to snap his ankle obviously but his stupid and pointless challenge could end a career. Its a red.
He didn't injure him, nor was it ever likely to injure Gomes, with the challenge itself though! That challenge was about as likely to cause an injury as just about any challenge you'll see. And it's clearly not violent conduct, you're being silly now. It was a tactical foul. He's intended to trip him to stop an attack.
There's been so many challenges where you could legitimately make the argument you're making now but this wasn't one of them.
There's been so many challenges where you could legitimately make the argument you're making now but this wasn't one of them.
No, is a player pulling someone's shirt going for the ball?
Your argument is that tactical fouls and not having any intention of winning the ball is violent conduct and a red card. You've not accepted that there's different levels of severity of tactical foul so why are you not saying a shirt pull is a red card too? Having your shirt pulled is just as likely to lead to a player falling and landing as Gomes did, which is what ultimately led to the injury, not the challenge itself.
Just watched MOTD2 and I cannot for the life of me understand the FA reasoning for a red card on Son, he's made a "tactical" foul which many players make every game and because of the injury the FA deem it to be putting a players safety at risk, under those guidelines then anytime a tackle is made and a player ends up on the floor that is putting a players safety at risk because they could land funny so lets make them all red cards.
VAR is just the most ****** system ever, Everton should've had 2 penalties and also Son could've easily had one, if you look at his leg Mina rolls onto him taking his leg away, that coupled with the Firmino armpit offside and you've got a more confusing system than was in before, as mentioned earlier in the post at least you could forgive referee mistakes but there's no excuse for rewatching the same incident 20 times and still getting it wrong (Alli's handball as his arm made contact with the ball and the rules say it no longer has to be deliberate)
VAR is just the most ****** system ever, Everton should've had 2 penalties and also Son could've easily had one, if you look at his leg Mina rolls onto him taking his leg away, that coupled with the Firmino armpit offside and you've got a more confusing system than was in before, as mentioned earlier in the post at least you could forgive referee mistakes but there's no excuse for rewatching the same incident 20 times and still getting it wrong (Alli's handball as his arm made contact with the ball and the rules say it no longer has to be deliberate)
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Son didn't help his cause with the penalty though he did play act after the initial clear knock i think that's why it didn't get given. Had he just gone down naturally that's a penalty all day long. The Sanchez tackle was a blatant penalty and Dele's handball. VAR is utter rubbish right now.
No way was Son deserving of that red card and the FAs bull**** reasoning means any foul committed worthy of a yellow is a red.
Spurs really can't defend at the moment and surprised we aren't losing by loads every week. Sanchez and Aurier are proper ****.
No way was Son deserving of that red card and the FAs bull**** reasoning means any foul committed worthy of a yellow is a red.
Spurs really can't defend at the moment and surprised we aren't losing by loads every week. Sanchez and Aurier are proper ****.
So presumably the Sergio Ramos foul on Salah, where he pulled his shirt and dislocated his shoulder, should also have been a red?
Oh give over, even if it is a late tackle from behind it's not a red unless using excessive force or being reckless and Son remained on the ground and barely touched him