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A very good player indeed. Shame that we have 3 top strikers at the moment as i think he would strive on service from Silva etc.
Would be a good signing for Arsenal/Liverpool if he did ever want to leave i reckon.
He's not a striker
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He's not a striker
But as has already been established Carroll obviously is not the kind of player who can just be brought into the team when there's an injury and do a good job. I would have thought that much was obvious by now.
As for Gerrard he's played off the front (or right wing) for the past 5 odd years now, whether that's down to lack of faith from Benitez I dont know but one would imagine thinking his long term position now would be centre midfield would be based on very little factual evidence to the contrary. That is unless you think he'll struggle to get in your team full stop after this season?
Oh lol. He seems to score all the time so i just assumed he was a strikerHe's not a striker
Even if you look at our midfield there is not any room for him
Like Cahill though I'm not sure if he's that good but then Liverpool do have recent history of buying players who aren't quite that good
I think Dempsey would do well to stick at Fulham, especially under Jol who's got the makings of a very good squad
Very little factual evidence? He's only played as a CM since Dalglish has returned
He's older, had injury problems and has lost the burst of pace he once had. He can still do a job further forward if and when needed but he's going to play as a CM more often than not.
And what factual evidence have you based this statement, that Carroll can't come into the side if there's an injury, on? Since being with us, his performances have been no different when he's played the one off game or when he's played a run of games.
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Yeh that is true andLike Cahill though I'm not sure if he's that good but then Liverpool do have recent history of buying players who aren't quite that good
I think Dempsey would do well to stick at Fulham, especially under Jol who's got the makings of a very good squad
I think he should stay i was just saying he looks like a great player and with Arsenal and Liverpool lacking goals he would be a good signing.
Fulham have a very good squad indeed, Dempsey and Dembele are top players.
but £35m is a heck of a lot for a bit part player. by utilising him like this, dalglish is essentially admitting that carroll just doesn't fit into first team plans anymore. only city can go around paying that sort of money for a second choice player. the clock has to be ticking now, which adds more pressure, pressure which could be relieved by a loan spell and then re-assess. there's no stopping you scouting for a forward on loan. do you have any youth prospects who could step in?
Did he not play off Carroll today? Or at least the nearest to him from a midfield 3 which is exactly how you could argue was his position when Torres was in your side - supporting Torres but dropping into the midfield when you dont have the ball. Long term I just cannot see him in a midfield 2 with Lucas, just cant see it.
As for the Carroll point I think you've answered that point yourself, he's crap when given a run of games and crap when being brought in after weeks of nothing but sub appearances. I would have thought that's enough evidence that that's not going to change (granted it may change if he's continued to be picked week in week out but that's not the basis of this debate is it)
EDIT: on the Gerrard thing I should probably elaborate that when I say I cant see him in a midfield 2 with Lucas what I mean is I cant see him and Lucas being the anchor men should you decide to say start playing Henderson as the support striker/CAM
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Who has said we paid £35m for a bit part player? We paid £35m (which I've said many a time was far too much) for a 21 year old that we hoped will become our centre forward for years too come.
If somebody is going to pay us £35m or anything close to that, then there will be a reason to sell him. If we can only sell him for £10m then there's no point in selling him unless we're desperate for the cash.
You didn't watch the match today Tom? Bellamy played up front with Carroll and Henderson tucked in on the right, with Adam and Gerrard in CM. And you can't see it but I can.
And because he's not played well, it doesn't make it the right decision to sell him.
hoped being past tense, the fact that you'd be ok with him going for anything close to £35m further confirms the fact that you don't have much faith in him.
bit part, as in well, what bit part means, which is what carroll has predominantley been this season.
How many times do I need to spell it out for you?
If we sell him now or in the summer (unless things pick up), we'll be lucky to get £10m for him. There are only so many clubs that could afford to pay beyond that and few, if any would be interested in paying more than that for him right now. His value can't drop much further than that, however if his form improves then his value will too.
It makes no sense to sell Carroll unless we're short of cash or unless we receive a big offer. The risk to reward ratio makes it a no brainer to keep.
i've stated that it can all change, everything can change, spurs could (and probably will) get hammered tomorrow and find themselves slipping, i'm fully aware liverpool with carroll could hit form and finish above spurs but if carroll continues to underperform, you're running a risk of him running out of contract (how long is his contract btw?) and his current £10m valuation being a distant memory. continuing to give him second role cannot help matters. there must be talks of a possible loan in the liverpool boardroom i'd have thought.
Happy to see Nimley play well today and score!
Looked fantastic in the academy and has found his chances limited as you can imagine. Hope he does well there
He may look better at Coventry, he was awful at Boro.
He's still got 4 years after this season. His value is not going to drop much if at all below what it is now in the next 3 years. And I'd be very surprised if anybody is talking about loaning him.
I think Carroll just needs to get used to your system, or the other way round to get the best out of him. But you should have known that when you signed him the type of player he is. The question is, do you change the whole team ethic for one player, or get the player to change?
End of the day he might not be scoring for you, but he does seem to win a lot of headers and flick ons, like to Bellamy today.
You just need to get him to stay in and around the box where he is dangerous, not floating around like a donkey everywhere else where he won't do hardly anything.
Only positive for Liverpool fans is knowing Torres is doing worse
End of the day he might not be scoring for you, but he does seem to win a lot of headers and flick ons, like to Bellamy today.
You just need to get him to stay in and around the box where he is dangerous, not floating around like a donkey everywhere else where he won't do hardly anything.
Only positive for Liverpool fans is knowing Torres is doing worse
I had the game on in the background so I admit when I saw the lineup I assumed it was the usual Bellamy and Maxi wide with Gerrard, Henderson & Adam centrally (with Gerrard being the one that supported Carroll) and tbf that's how ESPN had it lined up. If you're saying you played and orthodox 4-4-2 with Henderson right, Maxi left and Gerrard & Adam centrally then fair enough (having just watched the MOTD highlights though that's certainly not how it appears). What I would say though is if today is an example of Gerrard playing centrally in a two then you'd be best served not to continue that way
As for Carroll, I think you need to elaborate on what you think his long term role is going to be and when exactly you feel would equal a right decision to sell because so far you're being a little non committal one way or the other.
I had the game on in the background so I admit when I saw the lineup I assumed it was the usual Bellamy and Maxi wide with Gerrard, Henderson & Adam centrally (with Gerrard being the one that supported Carroll) and tbf that's how ESPN had it lined up. If you're saying you played and orthodox 4-4-2 with Henderson right, Maxi left and Gerrard & Adam centrally then fair enough (having just watched the MOTD highlights though that's certainly not how it appears). What I would say though is if today is an example of Gerrard playing centrally in a two then you'd be best served not to continue that way
As for Carroll, I think you need to elaborate on what you think his long term role is going to be and when exactly you feel would equal a right decision to sell because so far you're being a little non committal one way or the other.
Given that you didn't pay enough attention to notice what formation we were playing and position Gerrard was playing, I'm not overly worried about your opinion on Gerrard's performance today.
Regarding Carroll, I'm pretty sure we've had this conversation before. We need to bring in another forward (we did at the start of the season) to compete with Carroll and like any other club, whoever is in form should play.
As for if/when we should sell him. Unless we receive a ~£20m offer, I wouldn't sell him for at least another season after this. As it is, we'll be lucky to get more than £10m now and that won't drop much but could rise a lot.