Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [21st - 24th Jan 2012]

Stewy said:
a fit Hernandez would have had a hat trick by then :p Welbeck was awful.
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He was far from awful, he was one of our best players. Souness made a great point the amount of workrate Welbeck gets through is very impressive and he deserved his goal.
 
Stewy said:
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Robbo said:
That isn't the half of it. :o
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is this an English class?
 
Tom84 said:
He was far from awful, he was one of our best players. Souness made a great point the amount of workrate Welbeck gets through is very impressive and he deserved his goal.
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I thought he was dog do-do. Don't rate him at all.

edit: Robbo, that reply + your sig made me giggle.

tehe... tehehehehe
 
I've got to be honest I don't often post in here because as an Arsenal fan DM just makes me embarrassed...

Tonight I thought our performance was very poor, Djourou well lets put it this way he's not a particularly good centre half but played out of position he's worse.

The Oxo sub was shameful, he has attacking flair and was making some good runs and causing Man U some trouble, more that I can say for Theo. It was 15mins in before I realised Theo was on the pitch (genuinely).

We had an extra man in midfield as always and yet you couldn't really tell today. Arsenal are a team without confidence and I for one am not looking forward to the run in this year as we tend to fall away as the season goes on. My gut feeling is that we'll be lucky to claim 5th this year...

Credit to Yennaris and Oxo for me those two were real positives in this afternoon's display great prospects for the future.
 
jonneymendoza said:
Where did is ay i wanted wenger out a few days ago? all i said was that if wenger dont get us in the top 4, then maybe its time for him to go.

Also, diddnt you watch wengers post match comments. the presenter asked "is ashavin to blame for the goal" Wenger answered with a angered face "go and ask him"

Most managers defending there players would say something like "well we are a team and its unfair to blame just one player" but he diddnt.

HE ALSO blatenly said that we lost due to a "tactical" error. more clues and hints that wenger is blaming ashavin.

Your a fool if still backing Ashavin when even wenger is clearly upset with ashavin
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Yes, we did lose to a tactical error, not being able to defend is a tactical error, bringing on a not up to the speed of the game player at a crucial time in a crucial position is a tactical error, trying to hold on or winning a game by taking off your best performer, who didn't look remotely tired is a tactical error. Playing the useless Mertesacker whose lack of pace gave Utd chance after chance and whose lack of real ability left Welbeck alone in the box, for the umpteenth time was a tactical error.

Pretty much every game is lost to tactical error.

Again I have no faith in Wenger, I don't believe he got almost ANYTHING right for this game, I didn't trust his opinion to take off Chamberlain, nor play Djourou, nor play Mertesacker, nor bring in a youth player with zero experience to cover for Djourou, nor to play Walcott, nor after playing him to not substitute him.......... all basic obvious predictable things that have cost us game after game........... but I should believe him when he tries to lay off the blame for a loss on a player HE BOUGHT ON?

No, I don't trust an idiots opinion on one thing when he gets everything else wrong.
 
Oxo cube looked very handy indeed, whereas Walcott was rubbish as usual, can't say I understood that one at all.

Djourou just got shown up to not be a full back by, in fairness, one of the best wingers in the league.
 
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Pretty disgusting from him. Funny how verbally abusing someone can get you an 8 game ban, however this will probably be 3/4 at a push.

Racism is so much worse, yeah right.
 
Wenger claims Ox was showing fatigue, which is fair enough, but the fact is he still put Arshavin on when someone like Beneyoun would have been a better option, and kept Walcott/Rosicky on for far too long when his only contribution to the game was knocking himself out.

I think we'll finish a distant 7th this year, 30 points from the top at least, and it'll be no more than we deserve.

The worst thing with United games is, we always get beaten exactly the same way. It's like Fergie just sits there, laughing, knowing exactly what to do for the 100th time and Wenger is oblivious, sends the team out and they go and lose the same way they always do. The only difference this time was United seemed to get complacent, comfortable with the way the game was going and got briefly punished for it. Such is our fall from the top, we're not even treated as a threat.
 
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I thought that fullback they bought on looked alright, got forward and put a few decent crosses in. I know that is not Arsenals style, but he was pretty good.

Lucky no Tottenham player waved a card during the Bollichelli incident or everyone would be up in arms!
 
NiCkNaMe said:
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Pretty disgusting from him. Funny how verbally abusing someone can get you an 8 game ban, however this will probably be 3/4 at a push.

Racism is so much worse, yeah right.
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the lescott one was just as bad as far as intention goes. we were there to play football, not get assaulted. be interesting to see what happens with that.

first half was pretty forgettable, however, spurs showed they are a force after going 2 down which is highly commendable. city were there for the taking with 10 to go and we showed great spirit. the penalty was unfair on us as a draw would have been fair imo.

ok city had 2 key players out but the gap in quality is about right as far as the league points suggest imo, spurs looked far better equipped in periods of the second half and should feel lifted by the performance instead of being down about the result, we can and should bounce back, lot of positives to take from the game. if sandro had been available, i'd have felt a lot more comfortable than i did with livermore. again, we are still way too susceptible at corners, not on really. kaboul continues to impress, won most stuff in the air from open play.

we scored 2 goals away at city with a 5'7 lone striker, purdy and dalglish take note.
 
cm1179 said:
the lescott one was just as bad as far as intention goes. we were there to play football, not get assaulted. be interesting to see what happens with that.
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Assault was the word I was looking for earlier. How on earth is that any different to GBH? I just don't understand why so much emphasis is put on stamping out racism, yet stuff like this is even more common place :S
 
* The start with, of course Arsene Wenger's decision to take Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain off and replace him with Andrey Arshavin was strange, but not inexplicable (more on that shortly). Indeed, having Arshavin anywhere near the first-team at the moment is ridiculous, because as Gary Neville said after the game, he looks like he'd rather be basically anywhere other than the Emirates. Always inconsistent, Arshavin has been desperately poor for some months now, and did nothing positive in the 15 minutes he had in this game.

However, blaming Arshavin for the concession of the second United goal, and subsequently the defeat, as many Arsenal fans in the ground and on assorted internet outlets seem keen to do, is ridiculous. Sure, he probably could've done better tracking back, but why blame Arshavin? Why not blame actual defenders like Thomas Vermaelen, or defensive-minded players like Alex Song, for waving Antonio Valencia through and allowing Danny Welbeck an indecent amount of room to finish? The finger was pointed at Arshavin because he's an easy target for an understandably frustrated support, but Arsenal didn't lose this game because of a fading Russian. They lost it because the defenders didn't do their job.

* "You don't know what you're doing" sang the fans when Oxlade-Chamberlain was removed. Wenger said after the game that he was cramping before he came off. For an 18-year-old making his first start in the Premier League, and in a game the size of this, it's hardly the most outlandish explanation, is it?

* However, it's not a great sign when your captain shows open dissent on the pitch at a substitution decision. It obviously reminded one of Steven Gerrard's baffled face when Rafa Benitez removed Fernando Torres in the final days of his reign at Anfield. The crowd booing is one thing, but when a player of Robin van Persie's standing so clearly undermines your authority on the pitch, it's a sign that things are not well. If a player disagrees with a decision but has faith in the manager, he will trust that his boss knows what he is doing. The look on Van Persie's face was not one of a man who has faith.
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From footie 365, both saying blaming Arshavin is hilariously stupid to, its worrying that RVP openly asked wtf was going on to Wenger when he took off the only player that looked good enough for a top 4 attack from the field.

More worryingly, have we not seen that from RVP for a long time so far...... because we haven't played someone good enough alongside him for him to really give a crap if they get subbed or not? Is it therefore a really good sign that RVP hasn't cared if someone goes off the pitch for a long time,(Gervinho or Theo, doesn't make a difference) but Oc was so damn good he was actually pee'd off he got subbed.

While Wenger says he was cramping up...... I saw no sign of that, and players get cramp and play on, that is life. The one key thing every manager should have beaten into them, when your best player is the difference between you losing and not you don't take him off.

Fabregas 3-0 with a god damned cup final a couple games later........ he makes him play the full 90 mins after many games doing the same just to see him injured. In a game where we are playing like utter turd, and ONE player is playing really damn well, is helping us keep possession, is pushing the opposition team back......... and he plays it god damned safe....... its either entirely not believable (I don't think he showed a sign of any tiredness at all) or questions Wenger's sanity, protect Ox but leave Fabregas to get injured before key games, or RVP, or Vermaelen.


The problem is anyone who watches Arsenal should know that Wenger almost always takes off certain players and leaves others on, how good or bad they are doesn't matter in the slightest, he frequently takes off the best performer(and with Arsenal lately often the only midfield performer) just to see us drop more points afterwards.

But then that article also highlights one other problem, Ox making his first start in the league. Since the first few minutes I saw him, to the last few, he has been a country mile ahead of Theo Walcott in quality, and Gervinho, and the entire midfield......... WHY was this his first start over half way through the season, he's not "improved" since we bought him, he looked VERY good then and VERY good now. Had Gervinho not been away would Ox have started, probably not, and here is Wenger's problem, he DOES NOT pick the team on form or quality, he has favourites and they play if they are fit, full stop.
 
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Szczseny talking about quitting Twitter to concentrate on football.... yeah, keep playing well and we'll get you a nice deal at a bigger club, we like selling players on for a healthy profit...
 
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