Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [23rd - 26th January 2016]

Trusty said:
Huh? Just answer the question. We were never going to win that game going down to 10 men. Theres been plenty of times this season when we haven't played well and got the 3 points as well.

Edit, just noticed you said we could beat Chelsea with 8 players. :o Jesus...hahaha
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I said if we had the right players we could have beaten THAT performance with 8 players. The Vieira/Henry/GIlberto/Lauren era Arsenal could have beaten this Chelsea with ease.

Chelsea were embarrassing in the second half, so were Arsenal, being down a man is only a part of the reason we were so bad. We were mighty awful before the red card and nothing particularly changed for us after the red card.
 
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Moses said:
Is it 'rolling over' when you lose a man early, concede, then fight until the end? Don't think so.

Mert shouldn't be near the team? The rest of the defence must be epic, considering you have conceded the third fewest goals in the league... (I know eg. Cech has been good, but Kos and Mert combined have been very good over the past few years, in terms of goals conceded...)
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Pretty much yes, you have to ask the question as to why Arsenal time and time again cannot beat Chelsea?? especially this season where they are nowhere near their best like they were last season.

And again yes for me Mert isnt quick enough, which was and has been proven a few times this season. Tell me why that big lumbering idiot was looking at the linesman as Costa went in front of him ie before he made that stupid lunge and got himself sent off??. I mean **** me thats brainless amateur stuff from our world cup winner. Ive seen the replays and highlights and I have to admit that Mert looking across to the linesman to see if he was offside, is what cost him in the end...those few precious seconds where he took his eye off Costa and the ball then goes to make that stupid lunge is what cost us the game. As for him and Kos being one of the best partnerships in the PL??, yes thats because Kos covers Mert and his stupid mistakes most of the time:p. Its time we started pushing Gabriel into the team and leaving Mert on the bench.

Sure we fought to the end and maybe had we taken our chances then we may have come away with a draw at the very least but kudos to Chelsea for defending till the end and getting that 3 pts. I still dont know why Wenger took Giroud off, we had chances near the end and as much as I dont think hes a striker to win us the title...he may have converted those chances.



Trusty said:
If Arsenal are utter tripe yet again then the other teams must be something else entirely, considering we're near the top of the table and have been for most of the season. And England have 3 teams in the final 16 of the CL, I hate to think what all the other teams in Europe are, they should all give up. I don't understand why people get so irate with one loss when we've been so good all season.
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If you bothered to read what I posted then you would have understood that I was talking about us being utter tripe against Chelsea. Every season its the same old **** that we do against Chelsea, get players sent off because for some odd reason we keep losing our heads.

Out of all the teams in the PL, we have the most red cards against Chelsea...says it all really. In that they know how to get under our skins and make us pay for our stupid mistakes.

Anywho just got to pick ourselves up and start winning games again, we have had a few tough weeks. Still think this is our season to win the PL, possibly our best chance in a long time but we always seem to screw things up. Still got a few tough games coming up ie Utd, Spurs and Leicester.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
I said if we had the right players we could have beaten THAT performance with 8 players. The Vieira/Henry/GIlberto/Lauren era Arsenal could have beaten this Chelsea with ease.
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You're dillusional, Chelsea were only in the gear they needed to be to win that game. Had Arsenal equalised, they would have taken it up a notch and got another goal.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Chelsea last year, playing well, sure less than a 1% chance to win. CHelsea aren't close to playing like a top four side either currently or this season in general. They've improved a bunch but they still aren't great.

They were absolutely horrific in the second half. Remy put in what I would say was one of the single worst performances I've seen on a football pitch in years. The second half we had plenty enough possession to do something but instead most of our players just handed possession straight back to them and failed to play well.
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It's so hard to break down a team when you have a player less though, and Chelsea only had to retain possession and defend compactly. You'd have done extremely well to get a point out of the game, let alone a win.
 
Trusty said:
You're dillusional, Chelsea were only in the gear they needed to be to win that game. Had Arsenal equalised, they would have taken it up a notch and got another goal.
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No they weren't, there is a monumental difference between playing defensively, holding possession and passing well and what CHelsea did. They missed passes, conceded the ball, let us whack the ball around their box, conceded corners, conceded freekicks, all to a significantly higher degree than the first half.

There is being in a low gear and playing badly, they may have been in a low gear but multiple players were awful in the second half.

EDIT:- maybe most importantly, it's extremely common in football for a team to take their foot off the gas, allow the other team back in and be unable to get back up through the gears. It happens frequently, in fact we've seen it happen with Arsenal against Bayern, Barcelona and many others, thrashing us in the first leg and taking their foot off the gas. When you let the other team back in by taking it easy you create pressure and difficultly. Yes teams can attempt to up their game, but teams frequently fail to do so. I do think Chelsea backed off in the second half but they also played poorly and if we'd been playing actually well there is nothing to say Chelsea would have been able get back on their game as they were playing worse and worse throughout the second half.
 
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planty said:
Don't think you can be confident of Chelsea taking it up a notch this season!
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You know what i mean though. They are still capable of putting a good performance in, it's Chelsea.

drunkenmaster said:
No they weren't, there is a monumental difference between playing defensively, holding possession and passing well and what CHelsea did. They missed passes, conceded the ball, let us whack the ball around their box, conceded corners, conceded freekicks, all to a significantly higher degree than the first half.

There is being in a low gear and playing badly, they may have been in a low gear but multiple players were awful in the second half.

EDIT:- maybe most importantly, it's extremely common in football for a team to take their foot off the gas, allow the other team back in and be unable to get back up through the gears. It happens frequently, in fact we've seen it happen with Arsenal against Bayern, Barcelona and many others, thrashing us in the first leg and taking their foot off the gas. When you let the other team back in by taking it easy you create pressure and difficultly. Yes teams can attempt to up their game, but teams frequently fail to do so. I do think Chelsea backed off in the second half but they also played poorly and if we'd been playing actually well there is nothing to say Chelsea would have been able get back on their game as they were playing worse and worse throughout the second half.
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Dude, we were never going to win that game with 10 men, it's as simple as that. 999/1000 with 10 men, we would lose. We would have done very well to get a point out of it.
 
sigma said:
It would be impressive if they were top of the league but they're not, so not really impressive.
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I would say one thing it suggests, is the potential for longevity. Spurs are building up quite well. Poch has completely changed their style and consistency. However an increasingly good team that is also very young maybe has more potential for gaining experience than other teams.

They may not be top today, though how they do for the rest of the season will be interesting. But could they be a force a couple of years from now.... maybe. This is Alli's first season in the top league and frankly I'm impressed. Two years from now Kane might take that next step up players do in their 3-4th season. Alli a couple of years from now, Lamela looks to be finally adapting to the league well so another year or two and he could be a real player.

Biggest worry for Spurs though is where Poch will be two years from now, still at spurs or will someone bigger poach him and will they poach any of their best players.
 
Agreed, the could be onto something. They've never been a poor team in my eyes though.

Who have they played? Are they genuinely looking great or is it because the usual culprits are doing poorly?
 
Biggest problem for Spurs is actually the CL

Even IF the epl keep four spots for the next few years Spurs will have to be VERY lucky to keep their current spot for the next few years while also hitting it spot on with majority of transfers ( ie players for right now as much as 2-3 years on) without Liverpool / Chelsea / Utd leapfrogging them

Can Spurs keep all their current stars for that length of time? Its not exactly nailed on
 
I think Mert and Kos are still our best pairing. We always looks worse when Mert doesn't play. I think he is quite good at organising which doesn't look to be one of of Kos's strong points. Yeah he messed up yesterday but so did Kos (got away with a blatant pen). I do wonder if he was looking to see if Kos was close enough so he wouldn't get a red when he challenged. I think Otamendi doing his hair for the second West Ham goal was far worse than what Mert did.

Based on the second half performance I thought we should have nicked a point but we were just too sloppy in the final third. We need Coquelin back asap, I think he's our biggest miss at the moment unless Elneny turns out good. Flamini literally has no idea where he should be on the pitch.
 
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