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Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [24 - 28th November 2012]
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Lets tango!
I like this. I really enjoyed reading this. I enjoyed that bit the most.
I apologise and bow down to your amazing knowledge of Queens Park Rangers! How long have you held your season ticket?
Also, for what it's worse is you're still wrong and football isn't played on paper in regards to picking a good first eleven. Hughes was getting it wrong, had got it wrong. Queens Park Rangers were a shambles on the pitch and it wasn't getting any better.
I like this. I really enjoyed reading this. I enjoyed that bit the most.
I apologise and bow down to your amazing knowledge of Queens Park Rangers! How long have you held your season ticket?
Also, for what it's worse is you're still wrong and football isn't played on paper in regards to picking a good first eleven. Hughes was getting it wrong, had got it wrong. Queens Park Rangers were a shambles on the pitch and it wasn't getting any better.
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I like this. I really enjoyed reading this. I enjoyed that bit the most.
I apologise and bow down to your amazing knowledge of Queens Park Rangers! How long have you held your season ticket?
Also, for what it's worse is you're still wrong and football isn't played on paper in regards to picking a good first eleven. Hughes was getting it wrong, had got it wrong. Queens Park Rangers were a shambles on the pitch and it wasn't getting any better.
I've watched all but one QPR game this year, have you, did I claim to be a QPR trivia king, no, I simply watched many of their games since they got promoted. They started off not terribly with Warnock, some good previous year form carried over and a positive start, but that quickly descended into out of their depth, outplayed and zero confidence. Hughes took over, they were crap, they bought new players, they were crap, a month later the performances were improving, but they were crap, 2-3 months later, they started picking up wins, draws and performing better.
At Fulham, the team wasn't poor, nor great, it looked neither better nor worse when he took over, over 2-3 months the teams performances improved, new players started to gel and crucially when Dembele and Zamora came back from broken legs the goals started to come and the team looked significantly better than before Hughes joined, their second half of the season was absolutely excellent, the first half, meh.
At City, the first half of the season was meh, the second half was vastly improved, then he went spending again, they got too many draws but still improved and barely lost a game and were massively better defensively than the previous season.
At Blackburn, it took time, at club x,y,z, real change takes time, doesn't happen over night and that team, if you watched the games, was linking up better, the individual performances from the majority of players were improving(only really Cisse and Zamora, Mackie, and Park/SWP weren't improving, two of those were dropped, two of them were still decent just not improving and no other options). The teams performances WERE improving, that doesn't mean every game will be great and there wouldn't be a thrashing by someone, everyone in the bottom 8 will get a hiding or 5 this season.
Its the teams that improve instantly... that almost always do nothing long term, Sunderland, almost anywhere Redknapp goes.
Anyone that thinks 11 players who have played together for a year plus won't play better than 11 players who have never played together before for at least a while, is simply stupid.
The players QPR have today, are significantly better than the players they had last year, by the end of the season, Granero, Hoillet, Diakete, Mbia will all be making a significant difference to that team, they already have in performances just not results and they've not played together much due to injury/bans. Faurlin is also QPR's, I dunno, Arteta/Wilshire guy from last year, he was absolutely key to them staying up, he's really good, and he's missed half their games.
Mostly people think their end of last season form should have some bearing on this season, or length of time in the job matters. The team went through a decent change last Jan and a MASSIVE change this summer, its starting from scratch to build a better team overall over time.
Redknapp will get one key player in Jan, a striker who hopefully can score, and that team will get a lot of points, and Hughes won't get any credit, but he's laid the foundation and most of the reason they've improved will be the players he's bought in. Not all, Park is rubbish, SWP is rubbish, Fabio looks woeful(but improved drastically over his first game which was just about the single worst performance I've ever seen in the prem).
You're also overlooking the very basic thing, the manager's remit, you go one place, get told you have 10mil, buy 1-2 players, use the team you have, improve it. He wasn't asked to do that, he was clearly told, here, have money, loads of it, completely rebuild the team, build a team that won't fight for relegation for the next 5 years and yoyo up and down the leagues, build a new team, a team that can hit midtable in a year or two and push on for Europe after that.
Small improvement job with no rebuild is one thing a complete rebuild is entirely different, and with it will ALWAYS come a short term crapstorm as a completely new team learns to play together.
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Queens Park Rangers can not risk relegation. They have far too much money riding on it.
They've been going backwards in term of performances on the pitch, Hughes only just kept them up last season and they can not afford to run that risk this season.
They've been going backwards in term of performances on the pitch, Hughes only just kept them up last season and they can not afford to run that risk this season.
Yep, would love someone to floor him
I can't stand him either. Horrible little man.
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Again, they WENT backwards, and have been going forwards, and will continue to go forwards under Redknapp, or Hughes, everyone makes good and bad buys, only really was Park and SWP bad buys, one may be worth a lot financially, the other isn't, and is just poo.
Also QPR risk relegation by being in the premier league, full stop, everyone in the bottom half of the table risks it every year and the top half do(though would really be hard pushed to be relegated, however, look at Villa, Blackburn, Bolton, guys happily in the top half for years....). That is no reason to not try to improve.
Is 1/3 or a crap season and 2/3rds of a decent season really more or a risk than 3/3 of a **** season? Because thats where QPR would be without rebuilding on a large scale, and where Villa, and several other teams are.
They were still going backwards.
They have managed just four points this season, there is already a gap opening up between them and the club above them. Queens Park Rangers just can not afford to risk flirting with relegation again.
Hughes has them playing poor football, despite spending huge money (wages and transfers) and the side do not look like a team that are only going one way this season, it was important to stop the rot.
I don't think 'Arry is ever a long term solution for a football club looking to remain out of administration, however the club obviously feel he has a better chance of keeping Queens Park afloat this season and stopping the rot.
They have managed just four points this season, there is already a gap opening up between them and the club above them. Queens Park Rangers just can not afford to risk flirting with relegation again.
Hughes has them playing poor football, despite spending huge money (wages and transfers) and the side do not look like a team that are only going one way this season, it was important to stop the rot.
I don't think 'Arry is ever a long term solution for a football club looking to remain out of administration, however the club obviously feel he has a better chance of keeping Queens Park afloat this season and stopping the rot.
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Oh well, may not be true but I've been expecting it, Arsenal are said to have had wages raise to £143million last season.... while Spurs remained at or below their 91mil figure(which they had due to players getting more from qualifying for champs league, it likely went down after that).
50mil more, for 1 more point, and that only because Spurs absolutely self destructed from a what 13 point lead at one point over Arsenal.
I have nooo idea why I've been bemoaning our lack of quality vs the money we spend, thank god we gave Diaby/Rosicky new contracts, Djourou, Gibbs, Santos, Mert, Gervinho... all added up to make us the single most ridiculously useless team in Europe. We've got to be up there with the worse point per mil spent ratio in the world.
Relegation struggles had what, over half the points spending either below, or WAY below half as much on wages.
Thats what makes me angry, the utter waste, we don't have a cheap squad, we pay our youth squad silly money and keep them around for years doing nothing, what guys like Randall and both Hoytes made for years is a joke. We've also always had a huge squad, no one on 200k, but a huge squad on higher wages than they can get elsewhere.
Yeah, its the sun, but the numbers sound right. They point out Djourou, Chamakh, Squillaci on 150k a week and not even a single appearance between them, Djourou is soo good we gave him a new contract, and he can't get a game, Squillaci cost 6-8mil didn't he, doesn't deserve one, Chamakh is on a large wage, and actually is one of the few to deserve a chance, against Reading the first 45 were attrocious, the other 75 mins were pretty much brilliant from him.
Bendtner, Vela, Arshavin, Chamakh, they can get a hattrick, or simply put in an exceptional performance.... then they still don't get a chance, and even worse, we still don't sell them. He refuses to use them even after they play well, but insists on keeping them around for years and years.
50mil more, for 1 more point, and that only because Spurs absolutely self destructed from a what 13 point lead at one point over Arsenal.
I have nooo idea why I've been bemoaning our lack of quality vs the money we spend, thank god we gave Diaby/Rosicky new contracts, Djourou, Gibbs, Santos, Mert, Gervinho... all added up to make us the single most ridiculously useless team in Europe. We've got to be up there with the worse point per mil spent ratio in the world.
Relegation struggles had what, over half the points spending either below, or WAY below half as much on wages.
Thats what makes me angry, the utter waste, we don't have a cheap squad, we pay our youth squad silly money and keep them around for years doing nothing, what guys like Randall and both Hoytes made for years is a joke. We've also always had a huge squad, no one on 200k, but a huge squad on higher wages than they can get elsewhere.
Yeah, its the sun, but the numbers sound right. They point out Djourou, Chamakh, Squillaci on 150k a week and not even a single appearance between them, Djourou is soo good we gave him a new contract, and he can't get a game, Squillaci cost 6-8mil didn't he, doesn't deserve one, Chamakh is on a large wage, and actually is one of the few to deserve a chance, against Reading the first 45 were attrocious, the other 75 mins were pretty much brilliant from him.
Bendtner, Vela, Arshavin, Chamakh, they can get a hattrick, or simply put in an exceptional performance.... then they still don't get a chance, and even worse, we still don't sell them. He refuses to use them even after they play well, but insists on keeping them around for years and years.
Blimey a clean sheet, Rafa is a genius!!
It was pretty obvious that in the short time he's had with the squad defence is the only thing that's been worked on. We still weren't brilliant of course but at least they weren't as flaky as they have been, it probably helps having Cole back too. Cesar looks better with every game too he's lightning quick.
In attack we were still disjointed with players just not clicking with each other, Hazard and Mata for instance were electric the first couple of games but it's as if it's been coached out of them, hopefully that'll come back with someone with apparent tactical genius at the helm.
Not really bothered about the result it's the next 2 that really matter as they're the sort of games where we were 2nd best under RDM, if Rafa can get decent performances in those out of this squad then the boos will die down.
The boos were a bit awkward to say the least, it's not my cup of tea as I can't see how it helps the team but I understand why after the things he's said in the past.
The hypocrisy of fans from other clubs is hilarious too. I wonder if they were critical of their own fan's actions when Spuds appointed Graham for instance or at the abuse Fergie got in his early days etc. Doubt it, mongers.
It was pretty obvious that in the short time he's had with the squad defence is the only thing that's been worked on. We still weren't brilliant of course but at least they weren't as flaky as they have been, it probably helps having Cole back too. Cesar looks better with every game too he's lightning quick.
In attack we were still disjointed with players just not clicking with each other, Hazard and Mata for instance were electric the first couple of games but it's as if it's been coached out of them, hopefully that'll come back with someone with apparent tactical genius at the helm.
Not really bothered about the result it's the next 2 that really matter as they're the sort of games where we were 2nd best under RDM, if Rafa can get decent performances in those out of this squad then the boos will die down.
The boos were a bit awkward to say the least, it's not my cup of tea as I can't see how it helps the team but I understand why after the things he's said in the past.
The hypocrisy of fans from other clubs is hilarious too. I wonder if they were critical of their own fan's actions when Spuds appointed Graham for instance or at the abuse Fergie got in his early days etc. Doubt it, mongers.
The thing with the Rafa appointment is that it's been wideley publicised that he's the interim manager, so most people are probably just (understandably) wondering why they couldn't have just stuck with Di Matteo until the "proper" manager is appointed. Up until the last few games Chelsea have had a good start to the season and are right up there with the big boys still.
Also it's not really Di Matteo's fault that he was stuck with poor defenders like Luiz (I think he'd be better played as a midfielder similar to how Fellaini is played at Everton), and a £50m out of form Torres, poor form Sturridge etc... At Chelsea it seems that the managers have very little influence over the transfers made anyway, Abramovich just seems to like playing real life like it's a game of Football Manager without him having to do the mundane day to day stuff like training.
Also it's not really Di Matteo's fault that he was stuck with poor defenders like Luiz (I think he'd be better played as a midfielder similar to how Fellaini is played at Everton), and a £50m out of form Torres, poor form Sturridge etc... At Chelsea it seems that the managers have very little influence over the transfers made anyway, Abramovich just seems to like playing real life like it's a game of Football Manager without him having to do the mundane day to day stuff like training.
West Ham fans a disgrace yesterday.
Singing forza lazio, can we stab you every week, Adolf Hitler is coming to get you, gas chamber hissing and set off a flare.
IMO as classless as these idiots are the SBL have done nothing but to point out our Jewish connection which makes other teams more likely to target us for it.
Horrible at the Lane from them yesterday.
Singing forza lazio, can we stab you every week, Adolf Hitler is coming to get you, gas chamber hissing and set off a flare.
IMO as classless as these idiots are the SBL have done nothing but to point out our Jewish connection which makes other teams more likely to target us for it.
Horrible at the Lane from them yesterday.
Well that's not very nice. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn;t West Ham have a large Jewish following as well?
On a completely different note, what a game at Griffin Park on Saturday. Just shy of 8,000, beating the top team in the division, nullified the best player in League One and one of the best goals I've seen scored at GP for years!
Seven points in a week against 3 of the better teams in the league - MK Dons in a fortnight though! Although I have a trip to Southend in the glorious JPT before that...
They do.
As usual the guy in charge of the society of black lawyers has piped up on SSN and has made a complaint to the police about the chants.
Always nice to get some media coverage eh Peter Hibbert??
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discusting
So disappointed to only get a point yesterday, IMO we dominated the game and if it wasnt for our occurring theme of seemingly not shooting on sight in away games we could have won the game.
Chelseas defence was much improved which was surprising as Rafa hasn't had much time.
I have to say it was disgraceful how Chelsea fans treated Benitez, I gather he isn't liked but the booing, signs and so on was sad to see. Terry wearing no16 on his kit was a bit dodgy and could just be a coincidence but....
Chelseas defence was much improved which was surprising as Rafa hasn't had much time.
I have to say it was disgraceful how Chelsea fans treated Benitez, I gather he isn't liked but the booing, signs and so on was sad to see. Terry wearing no16 on his kit was a bit dodgy and could just be a coincidence but....
I'd be blaming the poor heading ability rather than the "shoot on sight" policy (or lack of one) for that result. Aguero in particular put in a poor performance on Sunday.