I'm not understanding the new diving rules. If you manage to foul the ref and earn a penalty you get a 2 game ban, but if you don't fool him you get nothing? That makes no sense.
They aren't supposed to make sense, they're designed to have areas of ambiguity to allow the panel to cherry pick which teams they punish and which teams they don't.I'm not understanding the new diving rules. If you manage to foul the ref and earn a penalty you get a 2 game ban, but if you don't fool him you get nothing? That makes no sense.
Yeah. I understand that side of it and agree. Gaining a penalty through deception does more damage than just being caught and getting no penalty.The point is that if you dive and win a pen, or exaggerate and get someone a red, you've gained massively. If you flop to the ground and get nothing you haven't, which is the rationale for a lesser penalty. Bigger gain = bigger consequences.
The point is that if you dive and win a pen, or exaggerate and get someone a red, you've gained massively. If you flop to the ground and get nothing you haven't, which is the rationale for a lesser sanction. Bigger gain = bigger consequences.
My problem is you're punishing based on the outcome not the intent. You're essentially saying diving is fine unless you're seriously profiting from it. Diving in the middle of the park should be punished as harshly as diving in the area. It's the only way to cut it out of the league.
My problem is you're punishing based on the outcome not the intent. You're essentially saying diving is fine unless you're seriously profiting from it. Diving in the middle of the park should be punished as harshly as diving in the area. It's the only way to cut it out of the league.
Where do you draw the line though? Are you then going to start taking retrospective action for all fouls that are missed by the ref too?Yep 100%, any kind of simulation should be punished the same way
Is diving a problem regardless of where it happens on the pitch? Yes but the main issue is diving that significantly effects the outcome of the game (for pens and red cards). A CB diving on the edge of his own area to win a cheap free-kick is no more an issue than shirt pulling or cynical trips anywhere around the pitch and we don't look at them retrospectively.
Niasse is not a famous player but, if iirc, Alexis Sanchez did something very similar earlier in the season and no diving panel was consulted about it. All we want is some continuity from the referees and these retrospective decisions.But then what if the striker gets a yellow from that dive and can't pressure as much? That could seriously affect the game.
in the end conning the ref is conning the ref. it should be treated the same wherever it is on the pitch.
We are making a mess of this Brighton game, very poor so far.
Just standard cluelessness, we don't look like we know what to do with the ball. I give it 15 mins before we take Martial and Mata off for Fellaini and Zlatan and just hoof it at them.
But you can make the exact same argument for every type of foul - you can't go back and look at every single decision.But then what if the striker gets a yellow from that dive and can't pressure as much? That could seriously affect the game.
in the end conning the ref is conning the ref. it should be treated the same wherever it is on the pitch.