Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [27th Jan - 1st Feb 2012]
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No not coming into a new league, I have no doubt he got them things right in Spain, but our league is physical and his physique isn't up to it as yet, his current lack of confidence isn't helping either.
One of the podcasts I listen to was saying that just last week. Apparently when Reina first came over to England, Benitez told him just punch every cross out, until he got used to the physicality. Keepers get hassled and manhandled a lot more over here than they do in Spain, and when you're a youngster like De Gea, it's going to rattle you.
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Well obviously I disagree
His distribution is exceptional and he's made a lot of top quality reflex saves in between the media and "fan" bashing he's got.
The problem is every goal seems to be his fault. The second goal against Liverpool, for example; to say that's the keeper's fault is laughable, you have to expect them to shoot across you and his weight was going that way, Kuyt smashed it near post, nothing he could do, and yet you get people saying "should have done better there". Ridiculous.
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Well obviously I disagree
His distribution is exceptional and he's made a lot of top quality reflex saves in between the media and "fan" bashing he's got.
I agree with the distribution part.
Except that pass against liverpool?
Thankfully theres a thread somewhere - with approx 3 pages of me questiong said keeper and certain members posting vehemntly that he is Proven, that he is the best choice etc. its nto difficult for me to go find this.
That we before i saw him even play for us, so its hardly like this is a new trend.
Frankly i have seen zero development with de gea since he started. He looks as awful now as he did to begin with. I said at the time we had no reason to buy a young inexperienced keeper, and so far id go as far to say that he had a big hand in getting us KO from the champions league, he wasnt great in the FA cup and has been pretty shonky all round in the league.
(awful is obviously relative, i know he;s better than a 3rd division keeper blah blah)..
The problem is that a few have crept in at the near post, or in some cases simply gone right through him?! When it happens frequently, then issues can be asked. It has happened frequently.
Well obviously I disagree
His distribution is exceptional and he's made a lot of top quality reflex saves in between the media and "fan" bashing he's got.
his "distribution" has mainly been finding out of play areas recently (although I agree at the beginning of the season it was a lot better)
Sometimes he seems to put himself under pressure by holding (not literally) onto a back pass to long
I really dont believe it - it appears (according to the BBC) that De Gea is 5cm taller than Reina, it just doesnt appear that way at all (admittedly the latter has donkey's years of experience over here dominating his area, while the former looks at times like a little kid in his fathers jumper) but even so, its still surprising imo
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This is ridiculous, EVERY keeper, Casillas, Valdes, Reina, VDS, Cech(even when he was at his best), Vorm, Al-habsi, ALL keepers have shots that go "right through them" because that is how keeping is.
When you want to hate a player, you pick on things that happen to every keeper but make them all his fault and why he sucks.
He's still got basically the highest saves/game ratio in the league. Considering how poor Utd's defending has been this season what do people attribute their low goals conceded to? is it the ever changing back 4, Evra being woeful for 18 months +, Phil Jones getting into trouble frequently at the back lately.
Surely if he was "terrible" Utd would both, concede more, have less points and his saves per game would be awful?
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Must be so nice to be not an Arsenal fan because for us
"play for the reserves on Monday" would translate in Arsenal-speak to
"player goes back to specialist on Tuesday after picking up new injury in Monday's reserve game".
Must be so nice to be not an Arsenal fan because for us
"play for the reserves on Monday" would translate in Arsenal-speak to
"player goes back to specialist on Tuesday after picking up new injury in Monday's reserve game".
Don't tempt fate for us.
It's certainly a shame for Arsenal and England that Wilshire suffered a set back.
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I think id call in sick if Dirk Kuyt put the ball through me like that as well. It's not just the one thing. In the liverpool game he was ultimately the master of his own downfall. it isnt as though he had an impeccable game and then unfortunately liverpool wscored one. He looked...dodgy all game and then came up a'cropper.
Our defence was shaky last season and the season before. VDS won us so many points. My issue was that we were never going to fix the defence, so get a good keeper in there...
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And this is what I mean by the ridiculous hate for De Gea from fans.
Remember in the City match when Lindegaard was very slow in making a clearance and Aguero got a foot in and we were lucky the mistake didn't cost us?
Amazing how that wasn't discussed at all by media or fans yet De Gea is being blamed for goals that weren't even his fault.
There's also a thread somewhere where you said we should sign N'Zogbia and play him CM. You really shouldn't harp on about how you got so and so right when your throw that amount of ****. Throw enough of it and some is bound to stick as they say
As for De Gea you're blind if you cant see the difference between when he started for us and now! Granted the change isn't for the better though, earlier in the season he didn't let mistakes effect his confidence now his confidence is shot to bits after being left out in the cold.
Wasnt saying I hate him, but he does seem to make a lot of basic mistakes, and yes I remember the incident you mentioned too with Lindegaard, but they are imo a lot more seldom, (or to put it another way Lindegaard has looked a lot more comfortable in majority of games he has played)
There is more pressure on de Gea, mainly because of the transfer cost (which has got little to do with him directly) but also because he is meant to be the defacto No1, which doesnt help his cause.
In one sense I think Fergie's decision to bring in a foreign youngster is flawed, simply because of the nature of Utd. Every mistake by any player is magnified, and as a gk you stand alone as soley responsible. Thats horrendous pressure when you are a kid trying to learn your game AND get aquainted with a new league and way of playing.
Still a great prospect, but he should have been given a year or two as the Cup g/k while getting used to the English press and game, while also having a more senior g/k to learn from/ have guidance from also
So he should get special treatment - any other player is dropped if their performances arent up to scratch, why should the g/k be any different? Look how Pogba had to wait to get another game after the CC shambles ( I believe he has been fully fit the whole time).
Which is worse, more and more pressure being put on him after a run of poor games or SAF trying to ease the pressure he feels by taking him out of the firing line for a game or two? ( probably different for each player/person, personally any easing of the pressure would be appreciated by me if I was in the same position)
Better De Gea gets used to not playing every game now, than letting /making him play nearly every game this season and then when he is dropped the affect could be far worse (confidence wise)
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De Gea looks like the second coming of Gomes. I love Gomes but he has been hung drawn and quartered by the media and his head is shot.
De Gea looks like he has the attributes except decision making. Lindegaard is to De Gea what Freidal is to Gomes
De Gea looks like he has the attributes except decision making. Lindegaard is to De Gea what Freidal is to Gomes
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that's still complete tosh, firstly VDS had a MUCH lower saves per game rate than De Gea has, secondly look at every single goal round up every weekend. The amount of shots that go "through" the keeper is well up there, against all keepers it happens frequently. One on ones keeper is simply not favourite, if your name is De Gea, VDS, Reina, or Buffon in his prime, its the nature of football.
YOu generally measure a keeper on his shot stopping when there is a realistic chance of him making the same, freekicks, time to get to the shot, good position etc, etc.
You can't and won't find a SINGLE keeper who won't let in a bunch of shots like the kuyt one throughout every season of their career, thats how goalkeeping works.
Utd have also conceded less goals per games this year so far in the league, marginally..... on what exactly should you be measuring De gea's performance, a worse defence has conceded less and De gea has averaged significantly more saves per game? What exactly would a "great" keeper have done for Utd.
Would it make a tad more sense that if De Gea was horrible he'd be making noticeably LESS saves not MORE than every other keeper in the league, and wouldn't Utd be conceding noticeably more goals due to less saves per games?