Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [28th December 2014 - 1st January 2015]

I always find it funny how some players seem to get better and better in the eyes of some supporters the more they don't play. I like Sakho and would have him in our side but this idea that he's been rock solid everytime he plays is nonsense.

He was at fault for Swansea's goal yesterday - maybe others were too but that doesn't excuse Sakho for his part - and straight from kick-off he gifted the ball to Bony with a careless pass and Swansea nearly equalised. So from having what was a decent performance he contributed to us very nearly throwing away a 2 goal lead in less than a minute.

There's then things like this:

https://vine.co/v/OwbLjAY3KiJ

It looks great when it comes off but it's such a needless risk. He could have easily messed that up and Swansea could have been breaking 2 on 2 on us.

As I said last night, it was the same last season but the more he played then the better he got. If he can cut out the silly passes he sometimes plays then he can be the rock at the back some people are making him out to be.
 
Confirmed that Howard will be out for 5-6 weeks after tearing his calf kicking the ball against Stoke.

RM says they will asses with Robles in goal and then decide if we need cover. If he could actually catch a ball that would help!!!

Assessing over January... and then it's too late. Great plan. Helmet!


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30632429
 
Sahko wasnt at fault for the goal - Can/Skrtel/Henderson are all more cuplable. Sahko is having to cover for Skrtel/Henderson not picking up Bony - if he doesnt win the ariel duel against Bony (who is excellent in the air) then its a free header. Where was Skrtel in all of this? Didnt pick up Bony, didnt pick up Sigurdsen, as usual he is doing sweet f all.

The backheels, thats part of his game, havent seen him mess one up yet - he is totally in control. 2 of the goals last night came from his passing out the back.

anticonscience said:
Migs was awful
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How exactly? Off his line more than once nice and early, dealt with corners easily, made saves when called upon.
Werent you one of those calling for Jones to be in goal, how did that little experiment work for you?
 
Newbie007 said:
Sahko wasnt at fault for the goal - Can/Skrtel/Henderson are all more cuplable. Sahko is having to cover for Skrtel/Henderson not picking up Bony - if he doesnt win the ariel duel against Bony (who is excellent in the air) then its a free header. Where was Skrtel in all of this? Didnt pick up Bony, didnt pick up Sigurdsen, as usual he is doing sweet f all.

The backheels, thats part of his game, havent seen him mess one up yet - he is totally in control. 2 of the goals last night came from his passing out the back.
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Of course Sakho was at fault, Henderson more so and Can slightly less so - not sure what Skrtel should have done better. Henderson gives the ball away really carelessly to start, Can then gets caught under the ball for the first cross although that's mitigated by the fact that he was sprinting back in to cover having earlier being pulled wide. From the 2nd cross in (where the goal comes from) Skrtel has to take up the position he does - if he drops back to Bony there's then a massive space between him and Can for Bony either to run into or any Swansea player to run into. Sakho should have been the one picking up Bony to start with and the only reason Henderson's to blame a 2nd time is because Sakho's out of position, meaning Henderson should have dropped back in (which he did before getting drawn out). Because Sakho was out of position he's then had to scramble to make some sort of challenge and the best he could do was head it straight back across goal. Finally you'd hope your defensive midfielder would pick up/track midfielders breaking into the box rather than stand still as Sig runs straight past him to score - but I've given up hoping for that.

As for the backheel. I've no problem with players trying flicks and backheels on the edge of the oppositions box when they've got 7 or 8 covering players. The potential reward is creating a goal and the potential risk is next to nothing. Playing them midway inside your own half with little to no cover is just plain stupid. In contrast to the above, the reward is next to nothing and the risk is incredibly high. And he was no more or less in control with that backheel as he was the square pass he played to Skrtel just after Swansea scored and he messed that up. Just because he's not given the ball away yet doing it doesn't make it the right thing to do.

edit: and if you want an example of the risks just watch their goal again. Henderson's tried a risky chest pass in our half with far more cover than what Sakho had and the ball has ended up in our net.
 
Bony isnt Sahko's man at all, its Skrtel which is why he is pointing at him in the build up to Henderson (who just runs off), Bony is Skrtels all day long and if he isnt as you wrongly assume then he should be occupying the space that Siggy runs into, but he is doing neither.

Sahko is trying to cut out the cross, that Can should be heading clear all day long, instead he misjudges the flight of the ball an makes a pigs ear of it. If Sahko was at fault in any way, then Carra would have slaughtered him in the post match coverage.

From memory, Hendersons shoulder thing is to a man that is marked, Sahko's flicks are always to a man in space.
 
Newbie007 said:
Bony isnt Sahko's man at all, its Skrtel which is why he is pointing at him in the build up to Henderson (who just runs off), Bony is Skrtels all day long and if he isnt as you wrongly assume then he should be occupying the space that Siggy runs into, but he is doing neither.

Sahko is trying to cut out the cross, that Can should be heading clear all day long, instead he misjudges the flight of the ball an makes a pigs ear of it.

If Sahko was at fault in any way, then Carra would have slaughtered him in the post match coverage.
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Bony's is behind Skrtel, in what way does that make him his man? If Skrtel drops back to Bony then there's acres of space for Routledge to feed the ball into the front post and Bony (should) easily run across Skrtel to score. Skrtel has to take up the position he does as it's the best compromise. Sakho's the one that should be tucked in behind Skrtel picking up Bony but he was far too slow getting back - which would have allowed Skrtel to cover the front more. Skrtel's in a half way house because of Sakho.

And I know you don't like it but Lucas is the one that should have picked up Sig. From the point the cross comes in to the ball in the net Lucas doesn't move a muscle. He just stood there while Sig ran straight into our box.

And I thought you had an opinion for yourself. It looks like I'd be better off tweeting Carra than discussing this with you ;)
 
Hahahahaha, sakho shouldn't be picking up Bony, what in the **** should he be doing then.

Incredible how certain people have their scapegoats and others they cannot blame

Also Mignolet was decent last night, bar his hoofs but thankfully can't remember any causing much danger for once
 
Try watching the post match analysis for a change, that will tell you all you need to know. Sahko makes the challenge due to the fact he is covering for Skrtel/Henderson.

He didnt have a perfect game by any stretch of the imagination, there was afterall the loose pass that nearly cost us. But throwing the blame for the goal when others are far more culpable is ludicrous
 
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Newbie007 said:
Try watching the post match analysis for a change, that will tell you all you need to know. Sahko makes the challenge due to the fact he is covering for Skrtel/Henderson.

He didnt have a perfect game by any stretch of the imagination, there was afterall the loose pass that nearly cost us. But throwing the blame for the goal when others are far more culpable is ludicrous
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Ah yeah, the flawless post match analysis that Gary Neville suggests Mignolet should save shots that two keepers would struggle to.

The only person more culpable at best is Can and thats if he could have made those headers, haven't seen a close enough angle to determine whether he could or couldn't.

Lucas and Sakho more at fault than Hendo and Skrtel
 
By the letter of the law/what we've seen previous it was a red. I do agree with Moses though in that there's a big difference between Shelvey's elbow and Sterling's push and they shouldn't be treated equally but that's another debate.

Anyway the reason why Shelvey's getting done and Sterling isn't is because the officials (claim) to have not seen the Shelvey incident but did the Sterling meaning (in the FA's crazy world) they can't punish him retrospectively.

The FA's whole disciplinary process is a lucky dip. Balotelli's just served a 1 game ban for his twitter post where the FA accepted his defence that he didn't fully understand the picture/message and no offence was intended. Yet a few years ago Ferdinand was only fined for a twitter post in which he clearly understood and knowingly used a racially offensive term.
 
I'm sure most rational people agree that Shelvey's and Sterling's actions are worlds apart, but most rational people would agree that what Shelvey did is unacceptable and should be punished too.
The FA can be just as bad as FIFA at times with their decision making.
 
You mean Sterling or was that a bad attempt at a joke?

Sterling should have been sent off. The FA's crazy rules don't allow him to be retrospectively punished though.
 
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