Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [28th November - 3rd December 2014]

Lamela looks like such a ****. Pulling out of challenges, not sprinting, arguing with officials rather than committing to anything. Prima donna ****.
 
Snax said:
In 2011-12 he was our best defender and after about 10 games of 2013 we had the second best defensive record in Europe with Kaboul in the team.

Our defence normally looks shambolic because they have not really had the cover from midfield and the defence was never settled because the players were always swapped.
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http://www.espnfc.com/player/42191/younes-kaboul?season=2013

That's great except he played 15 minutes in the first 10 games in the league against palace, his first half was against Newcastle, you lost, his first start end of November you lost 6-0, his second start you won 4-0 against Newcastle in February, his 3rd/4th/6th starts were 4-0/3-1/1-0 losses respectively.

You also had a good defensive record because the crap manager stopped the team attacking, like, at all, ever, helped also by 5 of those 10 games being against what were basically the bottom 5 teams in the league.

Any defenders to a degree can have a good run. Arsenal's record breaking defensive run in the champions league featured Senderos, Cygan, Flamini and I believe Lauren.

In that season what mattered more than Kaboul was the team being settled and having most importantly Modric/Parker playing great, starting the majority of games and the defence having basically 3 consistent starters with one CB changing game to game. That will improve any team, literally any team ever. Kaboul looks worse than he would now playing a game here and there, but he was always inconsistent as hell and Modric/Parker were the best players that season, screening the back four and helping out massively.

A key central midfield partnership can make or break a defence. Look at Lovren at Southampton vs Liverpool to see how true that is.
 
drunkenmaster said:
http://www.espnfc.com/player/42191/younes-kaboul?season=2013

That's great except he played 15 minutes in the first 10 games in the league against palace, his first half was against Newcastle, you lost, his first start end of November you lost 6-0, his second start you won 4-0 against Newcastle in February, his 3rd/4th/6th starts were 4-0/3-1/1-0 losses respectively.

You also had a good defensive record because the crap manager stopped the team attacking, like, at all, ever, helped also by 5 of those 10 games being against what were basically the bottom 5 teams in the league.

Any defenders to a degree can have a good run. Arsenal's record breaking defensive run in the champions league featured Senderos, Cygan, Flamini and I believe Lauren.

In that season what mattered more than Kaboul was the team being settled and having most importantly Modric/Parker playing great, starting the majority of games and the defence having basically 3 consistent starters with one CB changing game to game. That will improve any team, literally any team ever. Kaboul looks worse than he would now playing a game here and there, but he was always inconsistent as hell and Modric/Parker were the best players that season, screening the back four and helping out massively.

A key central midfield partnership can make or break a defence. Look at Lovren at Southampton vs Liverpool to see how true that is.
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Apologies, the 2013 stat is useful for Dawson.

I don't think Kaboul is a world class defender but he has been excellent and imperious in defence for Spurs. It helps that he was partnered by King for some of that time.

The spurs merrygoround of personnel and tactics makes it hard to judge players and it doesn't help that Kaboul is nearly always playing having just returned from injury. However, when settled, he was a classy defender. At his best he was more imposing than Vertonghen for example.
 
Loki said:
Their contention is that the rules are the same for your local Sunday League right upto the national game. Therefore football is a level playing field. For the premier league, Serie A, La Liga etc to embrace full video technology there should also be some technology to assist lower down the pecking order. Plus the other contention is a cup game. Say Arsenal play Peterborough. Do you have full video technology because its at the Emirates but not if it's at Peterborough.
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I don't really buy that argument as the current situation is football is NOT a level playing field, it is not as though all leagues play under the same conditions to start with. It's not like when Arsenal play MU we have Steve Bould and Ryan Giggs as linesmen or whatever. Catering to the lowest denominator is stupid IMO as it just hampers the top level game without giving any benefit to the lower leagues - it's not like by having more use of technology in the EPL is going to somehow ruin events for the Dog and Duck on a Sunday morning.

As for the cup conundrum I thought about this a while back and my conclusion was it isn't that big a deal, you just make a decision to either use tech in those competitions or not. If you choose to use it, then yes you would get full tech used in grounds that support it and not in others. No team should be unfairly penalised as the tech is just there to ensure the correct decisions are made; in fact you could argue it should help the away side compared to currently where there is more potential for officials to be influenced by the crowd.

Mangala I don't believe is worth £32m (a view I held before today rather than knee-jerk to the sending off!) and IMO Nastasic is their second best CB.
 
I hadn't heard that the QPR vs Leicester match had a record amount of shots in a game in the PL (52) but only 11 were on target! QPR had 32 of them shots with only 6 on target, shocking!!
 
HangTime said:
I don't really buy that argument as the current situation is football is NOT a level playing field, it is not as though all leagues play under the same conditions to start with. It's not like when Arsenal play MU we have Steve Bould and Ryan Giggs as linesmen or whatever. Catering to the lowest denominator is stupid IMO as it just hampers the top level game without giving any benefit to the lower leagues - it's not like by having more use of technology in the EPL is going to somehow ruin events for the Dog and Duck on a Sunday morning.

As for the cup conundrum I thought about this a while back and my conclusion was it isn't that big a deal, you just make a decision to either use tech in those competitions or not. If you choose to use it, then yes you would get full tech used in grounds that support it and not in others. No team should be unfairly penalised as the tech is just there to ensure the correct decisions are made; in fact you could argue it should help the away side compared to currently where there is more potential for officials to be influenced by the crowd.

Mangala I don't believe is worth £32m (a view I held before today rather than knee-jerk to the sending off!) and IMO Nastasic is their second best CB.
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Fact is that if kids and lower leagues see fairer play, the right results and cheating being punished then even without video replays in lower leagues or youth football, they will learn that at the top level you don't dive or you hurt your team, you don't pull shirts or you hurt your team, you don't do nasty tackles or headbutt, etc. It's all lessons that will carry over. Even without video replay it will inevitably reduce the frequency of these things in the other leagues.

As you say, the idea that it is a level playing field now is laughable and that's before you realise it's entirely meaningless to begin with.

I honestly can't wait for it to happen though, not only will it get rid of 90% of the cheating, because once players know they'll get caught most of the time they'll stop doing it, but we'll get at least a couple of weeks of the most hilarious football and ridiculous results. A ill tempered match that gets abandoned because the ref's see every red card incident and they don't have enough players left. Skrtel getting a red card in Liverpools 1st, 3rd, 6th and 10th league games(being banned for the others). Probably get more red cards in the first month than in any full season since the premier league started. After that though I think we'll see better football all around.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Fact is that if kids and lower leagues see fairer play, the right results and cheating being punished then even without video replays in lower leagues or youth football, they will learn that at the top level you don't dive or you hurt your team, you don't pull shirts or you hurt your team, you don't do nasty tackles or headbutt, etc. It's all lessons that will carry over. Even without video replay it will inevitably reduce the frequency of these things in the other leagues.

As you say, the idea that it is a level playing field now is laughable and that's before you realise it's entirely meaningless to begin with.

I honestly can't wait for it to happen though, not only will it get rid of 90% of the cheating, because once players know they'll get caught most of the time they'll stop doing it, but we'll get at least a couple of weeks of the most hilarious football and ridiculous results. A ill tempered match that gets abandoned because the ref's see every red card incident and they don't have enough players left. Skrtel getting a red card in Liverpools 1st, 3rd, 6th and 10th league games(being banned for the others). Probably get more red cards in the first month than in any full season since the premier league started. After that though I think we'll see better football all around.
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Completely agree, the technology is long overdue. Also, to add to your point about it already not being a level playing field, isn't goal-line technology only used in the prem? So the argument against technology that it wouldn't be fair in a cup game is invalid because prem grounds already have better technology. Plus, how expensive would a challenge system be at any level? All you'd need is one monitor and one person employed to review any decisions. You could even give that job to the fourth official so you don't have to hire someone extra.

It would be so simple. Each manager gets a certain amount of challenges per half or per match, so they have to use them wisely, and they have a certain amount of time (seconds probably) to make the challenge. They could use a red flag like they do in the NFL, and the manager just throws the red flag when he wants to review a decision. It would take no more than 30 seconds for a fourth official to look at the monitor, check a few angles and then relay the decision by the headset they already have to the referee. They could even limit challenges to incidents inside the box or that have already stopped the game. The only danger in a challenge system as far as I'm concerned is that a manager could take advantage of it to stop the opposition from counter-attacking.
 
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Yup, that is the key area I can think of that it can be used maliciously I guess. However others mentioned that basically you let the play finish, so if someone scored from the counter attack should the red flag have been used then the incident is reviewed. If it's found that it should have been a penalty, freekick, red card at the other end it's pulled back, if nothing is wrong the goal the other way stands. So basically unless there is a counter attack or large chance of scoring directly then play is allowed to continue say up to 30 seconds till a chance passes or the ball goes out of play.
 
That dutch rent a quote fitness coach, was on 5live tonight on my commute home. He explained why LVG get's so many injuries where ever he's been and why Jose teams get so few. It was pretty interesting and will be on podcast later, monday night football club.
 
I think we're top of the injury league table at the moment. Injured for the Burnley game:

Krul
Janmaat
Haidara
Coloccini
Williamson
Raylor
Abeid
Obertan
Aarons
De Jong
Guttierrez
Good
Santon

And suspended:

Sissoko
Colback

Can't wait to see our starting XI.
 
dannyjo22 said:
That dutch rent a quote fitness coach, was on 5live tonight on my commute home. He explained why LVG get's so many injuries where ever he's been and why Jose teams get so few. It was pretty interesting and will be on podcast later, monday night football club.
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I read an article a few weeks ago, that high possession teams like Arsenal (and now Man Utd) are more prone to getting injured because their players possess the ball for so much of the time, so invite more tackles. This was a theory.
 
Fulax said:
I think we're top of the injury league table at the moment. Injured for the Burnley game:

Krul
Janmaat
Haidara
Coloccini
Williamson
Raylor
Abeid
Obertan
Aarons
De Jong
Guttierrez
Good
Santon

And suspended:

Sissoko
Colback

Can't wait to see our starting XI.
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na arsenal are far worse
 
Fulax said:
I think we're top of the injury league table at the moment. Injured for the Burnley game:

Krul
Janmaat
Haidara
Coloccini
Williamson
Raylor
Abeid
Obertan
Aarons
De Jong
Guttierrez
Good
Santon

And suspended:

Sissoko
Colback

Can't wait to see our starting XI.
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Apparently Abeid is travelling?

Elliott
Anita
Taylor
Streete
Dummett
Gouffran
Tiote
Abeid
Ameobi
Cabella
Ayoze

But yeah, easy 3 points for Burnley!
 
Fingers crossed on Abeid, but considering he broke his toe during the international break I'd be surprised if he's back so soon.

Williamson and Haidara will also have late fitness tests according to Physioroom.
 
Tottenham have not won at Stamford Bridge in 27 attempts since February 1990, and I cannot see them changing that dreadful record after watching them against Everton on Sunday.
Yes, Spurs won the game but they look like a collection of individuals and every department of the team looks disjointed.
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That's Mark Lawrenson on the Chelsea v Spurs game tomorrow. I don't think he actually watched the Spurs v Everton game then. Everyone from here to Timbuktu has said the Everton game was easily our best team performance of the season so far, except seemingly this chump.

I'm not saying we're going to beat Chelsea, but if we play as well as we did against Everton hopefully we won't embarrass ourselves at least!
 
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