Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [2nd - 6th February 2018]

Sending off was very harsh but the penalty was spot on. Courtois wiped his trailing leg out.
 
BaZ87 said:
Keith Hackett has called for the International Football Association Board to clarify the rules and also for a full investigation into Moss:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...-moss-misguided-ask-tv-help-awarding-penalty/

There's been contentious decisions before but I think this is the first time I can remember so many officials and ex officials comment on something and for them to be completely split. Halsey, Hackett and Clattenburg have all said it was offside but Gallagher and Poll have said it was onside. If they can't agree then there's clearly something wrong.
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Hackett has come up with another twist.

http://you-are-the-ref.com/hacketts-verdict-questions-asked-moss-reference-television/

So not only did Moss get all concerned about Lovren and if he touched the ball or not... he and the PGMOL by coming out and defending him with the "he made the right decision regardless" nonsense have completely missed that the ball first ricocheted off Wijnaldum, making the Lovren touch moot. Kane was offside from the moment it span off Wijnaldum's shin, clearly right in front of Moss.

So not only did he get the penalty wrong, he called for TV "guidance" needlessly and about the wrong player. The plank.

Moss and the PGMOL have shined a great big spotlight on their incompetence.
 
I can't believe people are still on about this it's not the first time and won't be the last .and nothing will change the result of the game
 
alex h said:
I can't believe people are still on about this it's not the first time and won't be the last .and nothing will change the result of the game
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Sorry, who said or is trying to change the result of the game? We've had a fairly high profile game with 2 major incidents that even officials can't agree on, of course we're going to have some discussion on it. If you don't like that then discussion forums probably aren't a good idea for you.
 
BaZ87 said:
Sorry, who said or is trying to change the result of the game? We've had a fairly high profile game with 2 major incidents that even officials can't agree on, of course we're going to have some discussion on it. If you don't like that then discussion forums probably aren't a good idea for you.
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I didn't say that did I. I was stating that nothing will change refs will still make mistakes .There will always be controversy look at times when a pen is given when a ball hits a players arm at close range. some refs give a pen then others don't nothing will change. It depends how the ref interprets it.
 
Well if you read my post earlier you'll see the ex head of refs is calling for the powers that be to clear the situation up because it appears that even current officials do not know what is and isn't offside in these situations. Yes, there will always be contentious decisions but maybe these sort of offsides can be cleared up.
 
I agree with what your saying but you'll still get bad decisions .I still think the old offside rule was the best if your off side your off no questions when united played spurs Kane was off side for there first goal as Well
 
Of course you'll always get bad decision, officials are human and will make mistakes but the issues here aren't simple mistakes. We have an offside rule that's so confusing that even with the benefit of 100s of replays, we have both current and ex officials in disagreement over. If so many are in disagreement then the rule isn't clear and needs addressing. The biggest issue though is how the lino and Moss came to the decision - to ask for help from tv replays is completely forbidden and officials should only give penalties (and red cards) if they're 100% sure of something and we know Moss had no idea whether Kane was on or offside.
 
It's nothing to do with arguing over the result. It's not even to with the current offside law, it's to do with referees being confused about what the laws of the game are and how to apply them correctly.

Both penalties were technically incorrectly given and yet the PGMOL has come out and said they were good decisions, apparently it seems without even bothering to check the match footage. Both of the Spurs players were offside at the time of each incident (the 1st has several constituent parts that should lead the ref to the correct decision, whilst Hackett's video shows that the one tenuous part that could lead him to give the penalty, that he admits to not even being 100% sure about is actually irrelevant anyway!). The refs, the linos and the PGMOL literally "don't know what they're doing". That's the problem here. They're making their own laws up as they go along. That's before we even get to the "slip of the tongue" insult to people's intelligence.

It's no wonder have the richest and most popular league in the World but have no referee representation at the World Cup. The're not fit for it. Moss and his linesmen shouldn't be reffing this weekend and should be re-assessed.

The PGMOL needs reform. The default position here shouldn't be to defend the indefensible. It should be espousing the qualities of technical correctness, not crediting refs and linesmen for making bad calls and excusing them for taking liberties with the laws.
 
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The 2nd is open and shut offside.

if "an offence is committed against a player in an offside position who is already playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the offside offence is penalised as it has occurred before the foul challenge."

- it's there, in black and white. Offside. In praising the "brave" linesman in giving a 93rd minute pen at the Kop end against Liverpool and the debate about the dive, people seem to forgotten that Lamela was offside. If he wasn't offside, van Dyke wouldn't have kicked him up the arse whilst trying to clear the ball. That's the lineman's primary job there, to call offside, not make brave (and technically incorrect) decisions. That's just plain bad officiating, from the desire of the lineman to make a "brave decision" (which he obviously enjoyed as evidenced by the fist pump) to the not doing his primary job of calling offside which leads him to effectively overrule the ref into giving a wrong decision. Even Moss, then had make the jump from not giving the pen, to thinking Lamela was onside when fouled. There's no way that situation evolves if the flag goes up as it should. That's not brave. It's misguided and crap. A catalogue of errors.
 
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