Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th October - 3rd November 2015]
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The player has a contract, lives in the UK, has kids in school, etc. You can transfer list him all you want but he has to want to leave. If he doesn't then you've transfer listed him, harmed the relationship between player and club, fans and the club trying to push out a star player.
Pushing out Di Maria cost very little, pushing out Rooney would take around 50mil straight up loss, suggesting Utd can easily take that is not only absurd but still ignores the fact the player can say no to that.
Which MLS club is watching Rooney and thinking he'll be a star buy for their MLS team? Most of the players being forced out like Adebayor wanted to leave in the first place, had options for clubs who wanted them or were such a negative impact in the dressing room they were effectively told to go home for the rest of their last season.
You saying the player is bigger than the club then? If he was such a dilemma, they would find a way. but he's not, its in your head and you'd rather blame rooney and moyes than lvg. its pretty transparent why your argueing your corner so hard. you were talking about lvg as some sort of genius before he took over.50m as well? Are you serious? how much did veron cost the club in todays money?
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Absolutely a player is bigger than a club. If they have a contract the club cannot do **** to force them out.
Just terminate it
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And they'd owe the money of the contract, unless Rooney agreed a fee.
That's a terrible idea.
Were not talking about money though, youre missing the point completely. We're talking about the psyche of Rooney taking up a spot in the starting line up. If Rooney as captain is such a problem for the progression of United, then they would find a way to move him out the club. But he's not the problem.
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Why can't LVG just drop him then?
If only we knew.
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First players are bigger than clubs, get over it. Second Veron left UTd for 15mil, Utd did not pay 50mil to get rid of him, they didn't pay £50 to get rid of him. LIkewise Veron wasn't on wages that Chelsea couldn't match so it's not remotely a comparable situation.
There is also nothing obviously transparent. You keep making statements about how LVG is in the same situation as Moyes and has similar options.
You're absolving Moyes of absolutely all blame saying the board have complete control, but that LVG is able to choose to shove him out the door.
The agenda is clear, your over reaction to everything stated, you keep insisting getting rid of Rooney is easy and keep comparing it to other players leaving in completely different circumstances.
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We do know, you've got a 50mil cost to get rid of Rooney and the option to play him and use him and maintain his commercial value or bench him, tank his commercial value, tank club moral and anger a first team squad who watch Rooney get paid over double most of them for sitting on his backside for 3 years.
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Why does he play a striker on left wing?
Why does he play a winger at right back?
Why does he play Failaini anywhere?
Why does he just randomly drop Herrera for games at a time before remembering he's actually good and reinstating him?
LvG doesn't care about that. He was happy to make Di Maria their record signing, heighest paid player and dump him on the bench and then ship him out.
I imagine the simple answer is that he trusts Rooney more than anybody else Utd have. It's been reported that LvG likes almost robotic players, players that follow his instructions rather than express themselves - maybe Martial as a striker is still a bit too raw for him and Rooney's a safer bet.
I imagine the simple answer is that he trusts Rooney more than anybody else Utd have. It's been reported that LvG likes almost robotic players, players that follow his instructions rather than express themselves - maybe Martial as a striker is still a bit too raw for him and Rooney's a safer bet.
what are u talking about? Over reaction? Because im calling u up on the junk u spout. one rule for moyes, one rule for lvg. thats what i said about you. players arent bigger than clubs. Is Messi bigger than barca? Ronaldo bigger than Real?? More proof you have no idea what your talking.
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just for the record I was meaning EPL clubs in Europe - so 5 out of 7 isn't exactly far off the mark (rather than all clubs in Europe)
Even Liverpool and Spurs are paying £150,000 basic weekly wage, and with appearance /start bonuses etc it will be close to £200k a week
Majority of the top four have multiple players on those wages
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Lol spurs ain't paying no one over 100k
Spurs aren't and I doubt Liverpool are paying anybody a basic wage of £150k. Maybe £150k top end, after bonus's etc.
Anyway as I said, just because sides are capable of paying a certain fee it doesn't mean it's sensible to do so. Not only wasn't Rooney worth it 2 years ago, he's very much not worth it now and it has knock on effects on others wages too.
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That was filth from Lukaku.