Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [3rd May - 7th May 2014]

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Azza said:
So are Chelsea fans calling for Mourinho to be sacked since they're not winning anything this season?
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If any other manager had done what they have in the last couple of months they'd have hugely 'bottled' the title race.

Its just mind games from jose though, he is actually still first and we just don't realise it.
 
Chelolski.

I thought Norwich would show a little more fight though, they seemed content with a point which is unlikely to be enough.
 
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Whereas if he goes for it, and potentially wins, they've got a real chance of staying up. Sure it's unlikely they'd beat Chelsea, but more likely than beating Arsenal at home and Sunderland not take a single point from home games against West Brom and Swansea.

Ridiculous, cheerio Norwich, tactics like that in the situation they're in and they deserve to go down. Norwich fans delighted and proud of the result as well? What the ****?!

Regardless, absolutely pathetic performance from Chelsea. If you can't beat Norwich and Sunderland at home you deserve sod all.
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Quite funny that Chelsea did exactly the same as Liverpool at least in the second half, without knowing how to combat it. Kept getting pushed wide, and kept going wide, crossing it in. The players in the middle standing still waiting for crosses. Jesus, just back out of the box, move back, force the defence to move out a little and try again. Or keep running in to the box, constant movement + tight passing and they would get through or get a penalty.

No idea how two prem league managers can consistently stick with a useless tactic of crossing into the box to guys standing still and easily marked.
 
At the end of the day it's out of their hands anyway. Yes, they PROBABLY had to win to have any chance. A draw gives them a very slim chance. A loss sends them down. I don't think they have the capability to win a game like this so a draw isn't all that bad. I'm sure they'd rather have a chance of taking it to their final home game with the crowd pushing them on than having absolutely no hope at all.

It all becomes irrelevant if Sunderland take one more point though.
 
Purdy said:
If any other manager had done what they have in the last couple of months they'd have hugely 'bottled' the title race.

Its just mind games from jose though, he is actually still first and we just don't realise it.
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Weren't they top with the easiest run in out of the top 4? Massive bottle job
 
sunama said:
There is a huge difference between training sessions and actual match practise.
If Van Gaal is introducing a new system of play, which our current players have never seen, it will take a while for them to adapt. The more games the better.

Disagree, too many games against sometimes random minnow's in far away places is no good for a new team not to mention injuries.

They need to learn to be comfortable in possession in both training AND in matches. Many players do well in training but fall apart during a real/live/actual match. This will also allow Van Gaal to identify the players who can play and those who can't.

I don't see that our full international players are not comfortable in possession, I don't see your point here? If you mean we are not doing anything decent with the possession then I agree.

With regards to playing too many games - the players already have the ability to play many games and compete for honours in all 4 competitions. These are not 16 year olds. They are seasoned pros, who can play and win many games every season. If they cant - they must be sold.

These players do not need to be treated with kid-gloves.

I agree here, the commitment displayed this season including yesterday was very unlike any Man U team in recent memory.

The mentality you are describing is D.Moyes, to a tee - 4th place is good enough in the league and no trophies.
4th place wouldnt be good enough for Chelsea, Man City, R.Madrid, Bayern.
And 4th place is definitely not good enough for Man Utd.

Disagree, you have to be realistic. Creating a team is building a platform, from a platform you build further to challenge for honours. And Moyes did have a winning mentality, he said that he wanted to win things at most times of the season, he was just the wrong man for the job. There were lot's of factors involved of course, but wrong man for the job without a doubt.

The incoming manager MUST compete for all trophies, from the get-go (unlike Moyes).
This is a winning mentality. Our target is to win...not finish 4th.

When Guardiola went to Bayern, he stated that anything less than the treble would be failure. This is the mentality of a winning manager and LvG will be similar.

Would you not say that Bayern were in decent shape when he arrived!? Man U despite being champions had a half a squad on it's last legs and when the competition strengthened massively, we bought Fellani.

Let me put it in simpler terms.
Current Man Utd squad + £150M + Van Gaal = 4th in the league in 2014.
The Glazers would likely classify this as failure.
If 4th place was our target, then we'd have stuck with Moyes.
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Politely speaking, I don't think you have thought this through!
 
Yas786 said:
Nice, Everton losing yesterday all but assured us of our yearly 4th place trophy:p.

Winning today was nice, good goal from le donkey as well. Icing on the cake was Spuds losing to West Ham and Utd losing to Sunderland..first time they have won at OT since 1968 from what i read on SSN earlier this morning. Not only has Moyes broken records but seems like Giggsy is trying to out-do him too:p

Win the FA Cup and got 4th, successful season for Arsenal:D:D
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We just had to equal what ever they got against city so they lost so we didn't need anything.

Just need a reserve team out for last game as we can't get higher or lower than forth now.

Then We have the FA Cup to look forward to. :D
 
Grimsby down to 9 men in the Conference playoff semi final and it's heading into extra time if they can hold on.

edit: nope they can't. :p
 
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Chelsea truly have bottled it. They were ahead of City and Liverpool, had by far the easier run in except Liverpool which they won anyway.

I'd be massively disappointed if I was a Chelsea fan.
 
That was a limp way to end any respective hopes for both teams today.
Norwich for some reason were happy getting a point, maybe they think Arsenal will have their minds wholly on the final next weekend so can capitalise on that and beat them whilst other results go their way too. It seems like a long shot to me and if I were them I'd rather go down fighting than hoping.
And it was the same old same old for Chelsea when it comes to teams who just want to defend, we simply couldn't find a way through them as has been the case most of the season in these type of matches and why we're going to finish 3rd and not 1st.

Judging by the scenes at the end of the game it was A. Cole's last game at SB too. Good luck to him in whatever direction he takes from here, definitely Chelsea's best LB ever and quite probably England's too.
 
FrankJH said:
I clearly said four points, one point for the draw they got at Southampton and the other 3 for actually playing an unregistered player in the 1st place. Every other club has been docked the points for using a player they are not allowed to.

Its irrelevant at what point in the games he was used.

As an example he wasnt used in the cup games vs Utd at all, but that doesnt stop it being the case that he aided in the team getting that far in the first place. That should be an automatic loss by default ( in the game he was used in)
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I think the difference appears to be that Ji was already a Sunderland player, the balls up appears to have taken place when he returned from loan. Every team who has been deducted points had signed the player freshly (except for Tevez at West Ham).


This is the rule in question:

Rule 6.9

Any club found to have played an ineligible player in a match shall have any points gained deducted from its record and have levied upon it a fine. The company may vary this decision in respect of the points gained only where the ineligibility was due to the failure to obtain an international transfer certificate
 
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NeedAUsername said:
Chelsea truly have bottled it. They were ahead of City and Liverpool, had by far the easier run in except Liverpool which they won anyway.

I'd be massively disappointed if I was a Chelsea fan.
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I wouldn't be. It's Jose's first season back and like Pellegrini needs a transfer window or two to start making the team his own again, both should be much stronger next year. He has pushed teams hard with a pretty poor bunch of strikers. If they still had a Drogba they would have won the league this year.

If I was a chelsea fan I would trust him to find a striker or two for next year and really push for silverware again. Lukaku is not the answer unless it's to play 10 games per season and the rest from the bench.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I wouldn't be. It's Jose's first season back and like Pellegrini needs a transfer window or two to start making the team his own again, both should be much stronger next year. He has pushed teams hard with a pretty poor bunch of strikers. If they still had a Drogba they would have won the league this year.

If I was a chelsea fan I would trust him to find a striker or two for next year and really push for silverware again. Lukaku is not the answer unless it's to play 10 games per season and the rest from the bench.
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The striker situation is irrelevant when you look at the teams they've dropped points against since going top in February. They scored two goals in total against West Brom, Aston Villa, Crystal Palace, Sunderland and Norwich which is terrible when you consider they have a midfield consisting of players who can both score and set up even the worst of strikers to score in Hazard, Schurrle, Lampard, Willian and Oscar. All that shows is that Mourinho has no idea what to do against teams that will sit deep and attack on the break.
 
dannyjo22 said:
I wouldn't be. It's Jose's first season back and like Pellegrini needs a transfer window or two to start making the team his own again, both should be much stronger next year. He has pushed teams hard with a pretty poor bunch of strikers. If they still had a Drogba they would have won the league this year.

If I was a chelsea fan I would trust him to find a striker or two for next year and really push for silverware again. Lukaku is not the answer unless it's to play 10 games per season and the rest from the bench.
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Jose has used both transfer windows. They dropped points against, no offence, to rubbish teams, it wasn't even a one of but Aston Villa, Stoke, Palace, Sunderland, Norwich, West Ham, West Brom etc

With the quality and money they have spent, Chelsea shouldn't have dropped so many points against these teams.
They had 4 strikers, more than capable of scoring against lower league teams.
 
Not sure you can count Torres as a striker :p Makes you wonder if they'd kept Lukaku though, would have been a great option for those games where they dropped points.
 
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