Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [3rd May - 7th May 2014]

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He has spent like £100 odd million, how much more do you need 0.o

He spent 50ish with 50ish coming in from sales and has built a reasonable team that almost won the league and almost got to a champions league final. With a decent striker or two I think one of those trophies would have been converted.

The strikers he have are nothing like the class of City or Liverpool and it doesn't matter who the opposition are if they can hit the target often enough and are not converting enough chances when it matters.

Anyway time will tell, I'm sure he will add firepower and will challenge much better next year. I don't think Liverpool or City would have been in contention for the EPL with Chelseas strikers.
 
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With that array of attacking talent he has the team playing **** on a stick football and scored 9 goals less than year. Why didn't we hear these excuses last season? In a lot of their dropped points they took the lead, the defence let them down.

Over 100 million pound and nothing to show for it. Sacked in the summer.
 
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Makes you wonder if they'd kept Lukaku though, would have been a great option for those games where they dropped points.

He has potential but he's not been good enough or tried hard enough in games for Everton this year to be a Chelsea regular. He's been through too many peaks and troughs with us this year to be considered a top 4 and CL striker just yet imo.

Azza and other Everton fans I would be interested in how many games they think he's been quality this year. I'd say 12ish. This forum was a good guage, everyone said Chelsea were mental for letting him go August to October then nothing again until recently. I'd like to keep him for around £13m but I'd hate to pay more right now. He has awesome potential I just don't think his work rate is high enough to achieve it.
 
I think the difference appears to be that Ji was already a Sunderland player, the balls up appears to have taken place when he returned from loan. Every team who has been deducted points had signed the player freshly (except for Tevez at West Ham).


This is the rule in question:

Rule 6.9

Any club found to have played an ineligible player in a match shall have any points gained deducted from its record and have levied upon it a fine. The company may vary this decision in respect of the points gained only where the ineligibility was due to the failure to obtain an international transfer certificate

Was he still registered at another team?

Yes

Points should therefore be deducted. Shouldnt be any more complicated than that.
 
I don't think Liverpool or City would have been in contention for the EPL with Chelseas strikers.

And Chelsea wouldn't be in contention with our defenders. What's your point?

Mourinho's likely to finish 3rd with the 2nd strongest squad in the League. Considering he's touted about as a genius all the time that can't be seen as anything other than a poor season.
 
And Chelsea wouldn't be in contention with our defenders. What's your point?

Mourinho's likely to finish 3rd with the 2nd strongest squad in the League. Considering he's touted about as a genius all the time that can't be seen as anything other than a poor season.

My point is he hasn't been able to do an overhaul on the side in one season, I think he would be in contention with your defence. With a better striker he would have won the league.

I'm sure his job is safe for now and he will get chance to prove that next year. I don't think he needs to worry if he gets the boot the Manu fans will take him. Lets be honest though this is ocuk and about the only manager that's still rated is klopp everyone else is over rated despite winning stacks.
 
And Chelsea wouldn't be in contention with our defenders. What's your point?

Mourinho's likely to finish 3rd with the 2nd strongest squad in the League. Considering he's touted about as a genius all the time that can't be seen as anything other than a poor season.

they did have the distraction of the European cup semi final though.


Which seemed to matter more imo, to Chelsea and co than the Prem.

Terry was in tears etc.

Chelsea will be strong next season, stronger than United and Liverpool that's a given.

Liverpool have had a good run, but they are a good few years off winning anything - that's clear as day.

Next season will be between the big money clubs. Chelsea or City. Their squads are becoming immense.
 
they did have the distraction of the European cup semi final though.


Which seemed to matter more imo, to Chelsea and co than the Prem.

Terry was in tears etc.

Chelsea will be strong next season, stronger than United and Liverpool that's a given.

Liverpool have had a good run, but they are a good few years off winning anything - that's clear as day.

Next season will be between the big money clubs. Chelsea or City. Their squads are becoming immense.

I'm struggling to see your point. Top sides with squads like Chelsea regularly compete for more than just the League. Why is it an excuse for them possibly finishing 3rd?

And given that it's clear as day that Liverpool are years away from winning anything how ****ing incredible would it be if we won the League in 1 weeks time, which is still very possible?
My point is he hasn't been able to do an overhaul on the side in one season, I think he would be in contention with your defence. With a better striker he would have won the league.

I'm sure his job is safe for now and he will get chance to prove that next year. I don't think he needs to worry if he gets the boot the Manu fans will take him. Lets be honest though this is ocuk and about the only manager that's still rated is klopp everyone else is over rated despite winning stacks.

So with the same poor attacking options that Chelsea are supposed to have, Chelsea would still be in contention even with a much poorer defensive line than they currently have? I don't see it.

Every side has strengths and weaknesses. Chelsea's, despite a lot of talented attacking players, is their attack and ours is our back line. Of course we'd be worse off if we had Ba instead of Suarez but equally Chelsea would be worse off if they had Toure instead of Cahill.

You can dress it up as much as you like, the bottom line is that Chelsea's squad is only 2nd to City's and with the resources they have there's no reason for them to be complaining about a lack of strikers.

It's far from a disastrous season and I'm sure he is safe for now but I wouldn't bet on him being Chelsea manager in a little over a years time if he's not won the League or CL and done so playing better football than Chelsea are currently playing.
 
I'm struggling to see your point. Top sides with squads like Chelsea regularly compete for more than just the League. Why is it an excuse for them possibly finishing 3rd?

And given that it's clear as day that Liverpool are years away from winning anything how ****ing incredible would it be if we won the League in 1 weeks time, which is still very possible?

Only Arsenal really to be fair have competed in the league and European competition at the same time. Only just!

Liverpool will not win anything this year (imo) and will not be where they are this season in next.
 
Only Arsenal really to be fair have competed in the league and European competition at the same time. Only just!

Liverpool will not win anything this year (imo) and will not be where they are this season in next.

Bayern have walked their League and got to the CL semi. La Liga will be won by one of the CL finalists. Sides with the resources of Chelsea (and City) have no excuses for struggling to compete on more than 1 front.

If European football makes League success so hard then why is it that in the PL has only ever been won by a side that finished in the top 3 the previous year? Surely that's proof enough that being in Europe and the money it brings is more likely to bring success than playing a few less games?

And Liverpool may well not win anything this season or be where we are next season but I'm sure you never expected us to be where we are this season either.
 
Chelsea don't really have much of an excuse in my opinion, it's not like you need Messi up front to beat some of the teams they've lost to. They've got lots of attacking talent in the final third, but at times they've been very poor.
 
Bayern have walked their League and got to the CL semi. La Liga will be won by one of the CL finalists. Sides with the resources of Chelsea (and City) have no excuses for struggling to compete on more than 1 front.

If European football makes League success so hard then why is it that in the PL has only ever been won by a side that finished in the top 3 the previous year? Surely that's proof enough that being in Europe and the money it brings is more likely to bring success than playing a few less games?

And Liverpool may well not win anything this season or be where we are next season but I'm sure you never expected us to be where we are this season either.

The top few sides in Spain and Germany are immense - there is no doubt about that. The rest of the division and leagues are not so great though, and this is well recognised. This needs to be discussed though :)!

Re Liverpool no. Not at all.

Pulis has been amazing and so has Poyet as it transpires.

However Rodgers, the way he has handled Suarez will turn out to be a great. It's just not quite now, and won't be with the oil clubs in full flow.
 
Bayern have walked their League and got to the CL semi. La Liga will be won by one of the CL finalists. Sides with the resources of Chelsea (and City) have no excuses for struggling to compete on more than 1 front.

If European football makes League success so hard then why is it that in the PL has only ever been won by a side that finished in the top 3 the previous year? Surely that's proof enough that being in Europe and the money it brings is more likely to bring success than playing a few less games?

And Liverpool may well not win anything this season or be where we are next season but I'm sure you never expected us to be where we are this season either.

Its also pretty evident that Budesliga and La Liga are much less competitive than the EPL (while the talent on show may be much more, I grant you)

Bayern can attract a huge percentage of the German talent without really trying (as they have done for years) because 9 times out of ten they are at the top or very close to it.

La Liga TV money is split unevenly to an excrutiating extent. (90% shared between the top two going back years / decades). Ten or so years ago Valencia (edit - I was actually thinking of Deportivo La Corruna (sp?), but its the same situation really) were the 3rd team, now look at them. While I cheer for AM being up there now but will be lucky to last one or two more seasons at best at the same level. No one can realistically challenge Real or Barca (who after last night still have a good shout for the title, without being in the CL final)

Depends on your definition of "success" - missing out on the league by GD / one or two points should never be considered a failure. Even if the club won the league the previous season. (in regards to your "...only ever been won" comment)

Its the glamour of playing in the CL (backed up by the money I grant you) and hopefully the fame that follows which attracts players.

Its pretty hard to accomodate the likes of Terry / Lampard and debatably even Cech with absolutely ready replacements with enough experience yet younger in the same squad (even if the club can attract / afford them on the bench) , they were lucky (or had very good research) to attract a RB that has effectively replaced Cashley on the opposite side.

Its a massive benefit imo not to be in europe (especially before Xmas, with the top three playing 6 taxing games, and 4th place an additional 2) , Europa with the more likely additional travel milage to more out of the way locations and the change in schedule is even more troublesome for league form.

Im sure Liverpool's squad will be changed more than effectively over the summer, it will be interesting to see how for the most part the lack of experience at the top level of playing in europe will affect them (and balancing that with keeping in the top 4 at home)
 
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Its a massive benefit imo not to be in europe....

Again, why has the PL only ever been won by a side that finished in the top 3 the previous season and therefore been in Europe?

20+ years of evidence suggests its clear that the financial benefit of being in Europe far outweighs any advantage of missing out.
 
Not being in Europe has clearly benefitted Liverpool this season. But it's a peculiar set of circumstances that have brought that to bear.

It might benefit Man U next season in some way. Allowing them to make some headway into the surgery they require whilst avoiding becoming a European laughing stock getting beat in front of poor crowds on Thursday nights.
 
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Chelsea don't really have much of an excuse in my opinion, it's not like you need Messi up front to beat some of the teams they've lost to. They've got lots of attacking talent in the final third, but at times they've been very poor.

I agree with this to be honest. We're a team that on an individual basis would play like Spurs (a.k.a lots of possession and shots, but often fall apart). Mourinho has seen this and sort of hammered a square peg into a round hole by making us compact and hard to beat.

IF we had not lost / struggled to the lesser teams we'd have walked the league this season in a similar fashion to Utd last season, by being consistent but hardly amazing.

A striker and some recognition of when to be hard to beat and when to try and apply the flair against lesser teams needs to be gained for next season.

I have to say, the way we started the season with KDB, Hazard and Oscar wiping the floor with Hull seems like a distant memory compared to the lack of incision vs Norwich. I trust Mourinho to get it sorted for next season, i can see this team fast becoming a like-for-like of the Joe Cole, Robben, Drogba team of 06.
 
Again, why has the PL only ever been won by a side that finished in the top 3 the previous season and therefore been in Europe?

20+ years of evidence suggests its clear that the financial benefit of being in Europe far outweighs any advantage of missing out.

Because you are only considering those that won the league, why is this your only measure of success?

Im saying its a whole lot easier to get into top 3 or 4 by missing out on Europe completely ( and once you are in the running it may just be a case of one or two matches going the other way as to a team winning opposed to getting 2nd or 3rd)

Its also the case that City, Chelsea and Utd are probably on a much more substantial financial basis, with at a guess Liverpool slightly ahead of Arsenal, the rest are basically nowhere in comparison.So its only ever likely to be 20-25 % of the league who have a chnce of winning in the 1st place ( admittedly City, and Blackburn, have as yet only won it once, and with Liverpool as yet never winning it that percentage could arguably be even lower)

Within your time frame every one of those clubs has had its own problems apart from maybe Arsenal ( I cant recall if they dropped out of the top four in that period).

Im sure you have a few games in mind from much earlier in the season ( where theoritically pressure was off, players were less drained from the season etcetc) where points were dropped stupidly - some of those dodgy 2nd halfs for example - which would make all the difference today
 
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