Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [8 - 11th December 2012]
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I dont need to substantiate my claim, debating whether or not Ferdinand is better than Metersacker would be like debating whether or not Messi is better than Downing.
Awesome, how's having a better defence than Arsenal going for Manchester United's defence this season? Oh... that's right, Manchester United have only gone and let in more goals.
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I wasn't aware I said anything funny
Well done for chipping in though, definitely needed your contribution
It is quite amusing because people in here have generally said Ferdinand is past his best and is not a good defender anymore and you have stated ferdinand is better then any Arsenal defender.
Someone asked how many goals united have conceded against arsenal and it seems United have leaked a lot more goals then Arsenal.
Here is how i personally judge how good a teams defence is:
- Amount of goals conceded
- Type of goals a team normally concedes
Arsenal have leaked less goals then united. that is not my opinion but a fact.
2nd point i mentioned is that the type of goals we concede are sometimes poor but as a whole we do not concede much. We have had a lot fo clean sheets already and the reason why we are 10th in the league is because of our attacking play.
Lots of our clean sheets have been 0:0 draws whilst united have simply outscored there opponents normally wining 3:2 or even 4:3.
This shows that United have a worse defense then arsenal but have a superior attacking play then Arsenal.
Stats do not lie and i cant be the only one that rates a teams defense based on how many goals they concede.
Considering that the EPL rate the best defence over the course of the season as the one that let in the least amount of goals, I think you are on the right track.
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Top of the league, through to the knock out stages of the Champions League as group winners and in points terms we're 15 better than them. Those are the facts
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I am pretty sure Messi has outscored, out assisted and possibly been on the winning side more then Downing?
So stats wise Messi is superior to Downing so i am quite lost on what your point is?
To everyone else here, how do u rate a teams defence? amount of goals conceded or if a defender looks beautiful on the pitch?
No, Arsenal have conceded less goals than Manchester United.
HOW DO YOU LIKE DEM APPLES.
This isn't about how well Manchester United are doing in the league, this was a point raised in relation to the two defences. Arsenal as a result have a better defence so far. It's not difficult.
Also; I don't need to substantiate my claims.
Yes, but seeing as Arsenal have let in less goals than Manchester United it would lead one to believe that Manchester Uniteds defence is a little bit more suspect.
It's odd, because Manchester United usually have such a strong defence, I don't think the daft goalkeeper rotation has helped to be honest.
For me there's a difference between a team defending better at a certain period of time and having a better defence, Arsenal so far this season have arguably defended better than United come May though will Arsenal have conceded fewer goals over the course of the season? No not imo hence United have the better defence
Let me put it another way currently Stoke when I last checked had conceded the second fewest amount of goals in the entire league so using your logic they must have a better defence than ours as well (better than Arsenals also) will that still be the case come May? I highly doubt it
No you're right it's not difficult and in there you've said yourself where you're going wrong those 2 little words so far. The claim wasn't that Arsenal had a better defence atm, the claim wasn't that Arsenal were defending better atm, the claim was that Arsenal had a better defence by far end of. 20 goals difference between the two at the close of last season suggests Arsenal being ahead in the GA column is a momentary thing rather than being definitive swing in their favour.
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But IMO united's defense leaked more goals then Arsenal's and thust have a worse defense then Arsenal's.
i raised this point because someone said Arsenal's defence is terrible but in reality when you look at the facts presented to you, we have one of the best defensive records in the league.
My thoughts is that people need to understand the whole picture on why arsenal dont win games and are 10th in the league.
They are where they are because the lack of goals we score. We have kept clean sheets and also scored none, leading to a lot of 0:0 draws.
Back to the topic, i cannot see West brom scoring more then 2 goals against us. But For United, they look more likely to leak more then 2 goals against City.
Arsenal only leaked one against City away from home. I think Arsenal have only let more then 2 goals in once i think and it was against fulham.
I do not count the Carling cup 6:5 match lol
We aren't talking about the end of the season, we are talking about now.
Arsenal have conceded less goals than Manchester United and have the better defensive and defensive record as things stand.
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We are not talking about May 2013. we are talking about the clubs defence now at this moment in time.
At this moment in time, Arsenal have a better defense statistically.
TBH i think you are clutching on straws. You first said arsenal's defence is a joke compared to united with the reason being that Ferdinand is a much beter defender then all of the arsenal defenders, and now when questioned and challenged by others here, you are now saying "Come May 2013 we will see who has the best defence"
Did I? Let's see....
Firstly I laughed at your claim that Man Utd's defence was far worse than Arsenals that's not me saying Arsenal's defence is a joke that's me saying what you said is a joke
Secondly I said player for player Man Utd have the better defenders, I purposely compared Ferdinand to Metersacker and Metersacker alone because those two are the most comparable - Ferdinand is indeed past his best and lacking in pace and so is Metersacker. I also compared our best defender when fit (Vidic) with Arsenals best defender imo (Vermaelen)
Basically the problem you have is you made a definitive sweeping statement, if you meant it to come across as you were only commenting on the present rather than how things will stand over the season I still disagree that we're far worse simply because there's only 5 goals in it and that for me isn't far worse (like I said we could have scored that many against Arsenal a few weeks back anyway). Another problem you have is you're making things up you think I've said.
Arsenal have conceded less goals as it stands than Manchester United, they currently have the better defense.
It's not about who's the better out of Ferdinand or the tall German, the tall German's side is letting in less goals at the minute.
The debate isn't going anywhere, Tom84 won't admit he was wrong.
It's not about who's the better out of Ferdinand or the tall German, the tall German's side is letting in less goals at the minute.
The debate isn't going anywhere, Tom84 won't admit he was wrong.
Also! Sheffield Wednesday are going to lose again this weekend. Woo
But its at home to Bristol City! It's as must win as it gets
Aside from this blatantly silly arguement, did you just add Ghastly too your sig Tummy? looks awesome
It's been in there for ages mate!
It's only made silly by Tom84's stance
But its at home to Bristol City! It's as must win as it gets
Not when you're Sheffield Wednesday!