Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [8th - 13th December 2017]

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Klopp mini melt-down was glorious. Everton's record in derbies is tragic and I'm glad they made it an utterly miserable game.

Everton seem to have some sort of psychological problem when it comes to the derby. The first step to fixing their dismal record is to make Liverpool hate playing derbies. You have to stop losing them before you can start winning them.

As for the penalty. It was utter stonewall penalty. Lovren clobbered DCL, should have been sent off too as DCL was through on goal. Had that been a Liverpool player being launched over like that then Liverpool fans would be howling for the next 10 years about it.
 
My colleague is a Man Utd fan. He was saying about how worried he is about the lack of effort Lukaku puts in when against the big sides.

Just like at Everton, when the other 10 players were more than a match for the opposition, he would have the freedom of the pitch. But when all hands are needed on deck he becomes a liability. At Everton we saw this quite often as there were quite a lot of big games he disappeared in. Now that Man Utd, despite being considerably ahead of Everton, have big teams to play they also can't afford to carry a non productive player.

Lukaku is the absolute epitome of a flat track bully. He utterly dominates the weaker opposition and pads his scoring record by scoring a brace against them. But against truly testing opposition he is woeful.
 
Robbo said:
I have concerns about Lukaku. I know the service to him isn't great but he's struggling badly. He has to finally step it up and perform all of the time, not just now and again.

What makes him so unique is his power and speed, not many big strong players can run as fast as him, but he's just... poor.
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Lukaku played brilliant in the first 10 games of the season. What happened to him?
 
jonneymendoza said:
Lukaku played brilliant in the first 10 games of the season. What happened to him?
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he wasn't though. a lot of lukaku is right place right time. he's scored some absolute dog poo goals this year and plenty of tap ins that statically make him seem better than his performances. A Lukaku highlight reel of the season so far would be so short and dull. it's not like he's been scoring wonder goals.
 
BaZ87 said:
Do you think it was 2x a pen on Salah and also a foul by Salah in the build up to our goal then too? Watch any game of football and you'll see 20+ incidents with more contact than Lovren on Calvert Lewin today - literally every single time a ball is played forward you'll see CB's make more contact with strikers than that. Lovren cannot disappear - Calvert Lewin steps across his path and put yourself in a situation where somebody steps in front of you, it's human nature to put your arm up like that. It's 100% a dive.
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I really don't think it was a dive. Try pushing someone in the back, the fact of the matter is it doesn't take much force to send someone off balance when you push them from behind. Then factor in that there was the momentum of Calvert-Lewin going full speed, it would only take a small bit of contact to send most players to the ground in that situation. All the studio pundits - including Carragher and Souness - thought it was a pen, and Souness is one who I've always felt struggles to hide his pro-Liverpool bias. I think blame should be placed where it deserves to be placed. Klopp should have fielded his best XI and then freshened things up against West Brom, I feel that the likes of Coutinho and Firmino would have finished chances that fell to some of the weaker squad players who started the game.

edit: on the matter of Lukaku, I'm fed up with his lack of physical power. He's a massive guy and yet he was frequently dispossessed and beaten in the air by players like Fernandinho and Ottamendi. He should be a striker that makes defenders feel like they've been in a battle at the end of the game, something like Drogba and Costa at Chelsea.
 
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José Mourinho is quite annoying most of the times. But when he loses, I begin to take pity on him. He is so desperate to see some success from the teams he manages but unfortunately they are mediocre at best.
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Aye...very mediocre.

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In 17 seasons of club management, Mourinho has led his club to win its domestic league eight times, the UEFA Champions League twice and the UEFA Cup/Europa League twice. Between 2003 and 2012, Mourinho did not go a single calendar year without winning at least one trophy.

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nicktay2605 said:
I really don't think it was a dive. Try pushing someone in the back, the fact of the matter is it doesn't take much force to send someone off balance when you push them from behind. Then factor in that there was the momentum of Calvert-Lewin going full speed, it would only take a small bit of contact to send most players to the ground in that situation. All the studio pundits - including Carragher and Souness - thought it was a pen, and Souness is one who I've always felt struggles to hide his pro-Liverpool bias. I get that you're annoyed you've dropped points in a game where you were clearly the better team, but imo blaming the ref for his decision is weak. Klopp should have fielded his best XI and then freshened things up against West Brom, I feel that the likes of Coutinho and Firmino would have finished chances that fell to some of the weaker squad players who started the game.
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I didn't blame the ref for not winning. I said we didn't play especially well but I can say the ref made a mistake. You keep saying Lovren pushed him in the bakc and Calvert Lewin was going at full speed but you're ignoring the fact that it was Calvert Lewin that created the contact, not Lovren. Watch this:

https://twitter.com/Liddellpool/status/939920823657336832

Calvert Lewin clearly steps into Lovren. There is absolutely nothing Lovren can do in that situation to not make contact with him. He can't instantly stop nor can his vanish into thin air. At some point in your life you'd have had somebody step in front of you and instinctively you'd have put your arm out. What Calvert Lewin done was no different to all the times Vardy runs side by side with the defender and kicks the defender to make contact. It's a dive.

As for playing our best 11. Everything is easy in hindsight. We had more than enough chances to win the game with the team we put out. We didn't not win because of the team picked today and while as supporters we all want to see the best players playing every game it's easy to understand why he made the changes we did. All our front 4 played in midweek and Salah, Coutinho & Firmino played last weekend too (Firmino & Mane the midweek before too) - if you play them all today do you then leave them all out vs West Brom or do you expect them to play 4 games in 14 days? We could have played them today and then played them vs West Brom, hopefully we'd have won but maybe one would have pulled their hamstring or like Conte yesterday, maybe Klopp would have ended the game complaining about tired players when we didn't beat West Brom. Klopp had to make a decision to best manage his squad through a very busy period and had it not been for a dodgy penalty or had Mane squared it for a tap in to make it 2-0 we'd have been going into the West Brom game with 3 points and as fresh a squad as possible.
 
nicktay2605 said:
I really don't think it was a dive. Try pushing someone in the back, the fact of the matter is it doesn't take much force to send someone off balance when you push them from behind. Then factor in that there was the momentum of Calvert-Lewin going full speed, it would only take a small bit of contact to send most players to the ground in that situation. All the studio pundits - including Carragher and Souness - thought it was a pen, and Souness is one who I've always felt struggles to hide his pro-Liverpool bias. I think blame should be placed where it deserves to be placed. Klopp should have fielded his best XI and then freshened things up against West Brom, I feel that the likes of Coutinho and Firmino would have finished chances that fell to some of the weaker squad players who started the game.

edit: on the matter of Lukaku, I'm fed up with his lack of physical power. He's a massive guy and yet he was frequently dispossessed and beaten in the air by players like Fernandinho and Ottamendi. He should be a striker that makes defenders feel like they've been in a battle at the end of the game, something like Drogba and Costa at Chelsea.
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If thats a penalty then i expect to see 5 a game including one on Solanke. Its a nonsense of a decision and its so clearly a dive its not even funny.

"it doesnt take much force" it takes more then a touch, come on now.
 
omnomnom said:
If thats a penalty then i expect to see 5 a game including one on Solanke. Its a nonsense of a decision and its so clearly a dive its not even funny.

"it doesnt take much force" it takes more then a touch, come on now.
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The amount of contact is irrelevant too as it's Calvert Lewin that creates the contact by stepping into Lovren.
 
I'm not sure how any Everton supporter can be happy with the result today, they played like an amateur pub team for about 80mins. That said, for all their dominance Liverpool were awful in the last third. If I'd had a drinking game for shots spooned over the bar I'd probably still be unconscious. I didn't think it was a penalty to Everton either, it was a hand on the back not a push.

Well done City on the title, I can't see them slipping up and even if they do have a dip of form the rest of their competitors probably wouldn't capitalise.
 
mmj_uk said:
I'm not sure how any Everton supporter can be happy with the result today.
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Yeah right, half this forum wasn’t alive the last time Everton won at Anfield. We look like a team that deserves to go down, a team with no balance or pace, In trouble. Yet we got a point away to a top 4 side. Of course I’m happy with a point. Thankfully Liverpool have a clown in charge or we would have got seriously dry humped, we should have been.
 
Sounds like it properly kicked off in the tunnel at OT, not just Mourinho having milk thrown at him. Supposedly punches were thrown and Arteta was left with a cut eye.
 
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