Greta Thunberg

413x said:
People really hate on this girl

She engages young audiences but adults seem to get triggered. Is it because she's young? Dare I say it.. A girl (hopefully not)

Well, we will all get our comeuppance in time.

Just as covid had shown the world is slow and only reacts and reacts too late. So it will play out with climate change.

Only with climate change, their is absolutely no vaccine or 'let it run' option.


We are at stage where we need some yet to be realised technology to save us.
The world really is screwed. I do not envy kids of today. They are going to inherit a barren wasteland at this rate.

The crows are coming home to roost
We are incapable of fighting all this.

I kind of get deniers, they deny it, they are wrong, but I guess they are following their beliefs. I don't really get the people having kids who believe the world is heading for disaster.

If you believe that strongly, why the F would you want kids to inherit this?
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This planet has been getting cold\hot for billions of years.
And it will never stop doing it.

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been

And after the planet heats up, it gets frozen again..rinse and repeat
 
WJA96 said:
Compare what she says (and how she says it) with what David Attenborough says (and how HE says it). The message is the same, the reaction from the audience completely different. She's preachy, unreasonable. Authoritarian. He's convincing and speaks from experience. Authoritative. It probably helps that he's built up decades of credibility in this area.
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Semple said:
Pretty much hit the nail on the head there.

If you want to preach to the world that what they're doing is wrong, then you need the credentials and reputation to back that up. The credentials and reputation cannot be built by an activist who just promotes her beliefs on social platforms and talks at conferences. You need to get involved in various research projects for the credibility, drive innovation projects to build your reputation, all of which Attenborough has done during his life. The bloke is 94 years of age and is still working to try and get the message across.
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You both said it much better than I have, and basically this is the problem.

The message gains credibility when it comes from experts like Attenborough.

At worst, the message perhaps loses credibility when it comes "from the mouth of babes" like Greta. If she is seen as the spearhead of the climate movement, lots of people will rightly say, "Why the heck should I listen to this kid??!" People like Attenborough should be the spearhead.

Climate policy should not be based on appeals to emotion - it should be based on cold, hard science, driven by evidence.

There is no danger in the individual going "above and beyond" or acting on feels. Saving the planet is a good cause, even if your sole motivation is "feels", it can never hurt to be more pro-active in cutting emissions and plastic waste, etc. And if Greta was limited in her exposure to making emotional appeals to the younger generations, say on CBBC where she belongs, that would be fine.

Greta lecturing world leaders at the G20 summit or winning a Nobel peace prize? Utterly absurd.
 
FoxEye said:
You both said it much better than I have, and basically this is the problem.

The message gains credibility when it comes from experts like Attenborough.
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Climate policy should not be based on appeals to emotion - it should be based on cold, hard science, driven by evidence.
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Greta lecturing world leaders at the G20 summit or winning a Nobel peace prize? Utterly absurd.
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Agreed.

If the figurehead doesn't have credibility it makes it harder for your message to get through.

You end up having arguments about presentation, rather than the message, which is pretty much a waste of everyone's time.

And I do appreciate the irony there, thank you!
 
Jokester said:
A lot of what Greta says is rubbish as well. I’ve not checked but Attenborough appears to stick to facts/actual science.
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Well now you've done it, you're going to have to provide an example or two. But in a way you've also reinforced my earlier point. I feel that she's talking crap and she doesn't convince me. And that's enough for me.

As well as that, I find her dislikeable - she comes across as arrogant, spoilt and sermonizing. And people are less likely to listen to someone who irks then. Attenborough is very likeable. He's relaxing, calming and affable, but there's also a strength and belief to what he says, and his delivery makes you want to listen to what he has to say.
 
Lysander said:
Well now you've done it, you're going to have to provide an example or two. But in a way you've also reinforced my earlier point. I feel that she's talking crap and she doesn't convince me. And that's enough for me.

As well as that, I find her dislikeable - she comes across as arrogant, spoilt and sermonizing. And people are less likely to listen to someone who irks then. Attenborough is very likeable. He's relaxing, calming and affable, but there's also a strength and belief to what he says, and you just want to listen to what he has to say.
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Well the most obvious example is her rant that the governments have done nothing to fight climate change - this is clearly nonsense.
 
deuse said:
Not sure if serious.

All nukes will do is kill you...hmmmmm :)
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Nuked could pretty much obliterate all life on the planet. All the way back to a stage billions of years ago. And contaminate it for millions more. Just saying we can control the planets fate a negative way quite easily
 
413x said:
Nuked could pretty much obliterate all life on the planet. All the way back to a stage billions of years ago. And contaminate it for millions more. Just saying we can control the planets fate a negative way quite easily
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What the hell has that got to do with what people are talking about?

Lose the plot...but don't jump off the cliff
 
413x said:
Nuked could pretty much obliterate all life on the planet. All the way back to a stage billions of years ago. And contaminate it for millions more. Just saying we can control the planets fate a negative way quite easily
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Maybe this is what happened with Mars. I totally wouldn't be surprised if there was once a civilisation there which wiped themselves out and removed all trace of themselves in the process.
 
Lysander said:
Well now you've done it, you're going to have to provide an example or two. But in a way you've also reinforced my earlier point. I feel that she's talking crap and she doesn't convince me. And that's enough for me.

As well as that, I find her dislikeable - she comes across as arrogant, spoilt and sermonizing. And people are less likely to listen to someone who irks then. Attenborough is very likeable. He's relaxing, calming and affable, but there's also a strength and belief to what he says, and his delivery makes you want to listen to what he has to say.
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You 'feel'?

Honestly, and you wonder why people dont take you seriously. At least try and make a defendable point of view up.

Perhaps you don't like her delivery, maybe others do.

For example, if you want children to engage with the, again I'll say this, science and facts then maybe having a young person talk to them and being seen as having a voice will do that.

She's not appealing to small minded adults, fine, but she is doing a great job of talking to the children who will have to deal with the issue far more urgently than we will.
 
deuse said:
But who's message and who is paying for that message?
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To be honest I believe when she says she first got into saving the planet when she was 8 and couldn't believe nobody was listening.
I also believe that her parents took no notice of her until they had to, autistics can be quite demanding.
I believe that she started the school strikes and then when her name was getting known adults started to get involved such as Attenborough.

Lysander said:
As well as that, I find her dislikeable - she comes across as arrogant, spoilt and sermonizing.
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She is diagnosed autistic so acts very differently from the norm, it also means she gets obsessed.
 
wesimmo said:
You 'feel'?

Honestly, and you wonder why people dont take you seriously. At least try and make a defendable point of view up.
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No. This is a matter of opinion to me, and that's enough. Also, I am starting to find your wanton railing on this matter rather amusing, and the continual suggestion that I bolster my points is more likely to yield further annoying comments [for you]. So you can either stick me on ignore or let bygones be bygones.

SexyGreyFox said:
She is diagnosed autistic so acts very differently from the norm, it also means she gets obsessed.
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Understood.
 
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