Greta Thunberg

Raymond Lin said:
Scientific journal on global warming?

you actually need help to find that?

What I said about your mind been made up...you already have. This isn't a left or right wing issue, not sure why you are bringing politics into this, this is a science and world climate issue. Your mind has already been made up, you have taken your stance on the right and everything else you dislike you label as left and that's that.
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I've said in this very thread that climate change is occurring and that humans contribute to that. So what has your scientific journal got to do with the point I have consistently made in this thread?

I think you are an example of the very thing you claim I am guilty of. You are so delusion that you think I am a climate change denier simply because I am far-right and dislike Greta Thunberg's preaching.
 
Schlong&Stable said:
I've said in this very thread that climate change is occurring and that humans contribute to that. So what has your scientific journal got to do with the point I have consistently made in this thread?

I think you are an example of the very thing you claim I am guilty of. You are so delusion that you think I am a climate change denier simply because I am far-right and dislike Greta Thunberg's preaching.
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I don’t know what “side” you are on, nor do I care, you brought that up out of nowhere , no one asked you of your political allegiance, or should it matter. It speaks volume you put that on the forefront when it comes to climate change and think all global warming data is left wing and thus they must be the enemy.
 
A lot of jobs will of necessity disappear. It appears that flight shaming is now driving down growth in the airline industry with a reduction in need for new small airliners. Previously assumed growth of 3 to 4% is looking to be nearer 1.5%. Maybe we no longer need new runways either?
 
President Putin was sage, as he often is, about this child and her backers today. Driven by adults with an agenda, used and probably to be discarded when it suits. The only realistic answers to climate change (should you support the narrative), is extreme population birth control, or extreme western physical enforcement of Draconian control of migrancy from countries with a populace desiring a western lifestyle with no ability, financially or educationally, to enrich their desired destination.
 
If flight-shaming becomes a thing, space-flight emissions might be next. But wasn't there a media announcement recently about Microsoft teaming up with a British(?) consortium to do major climate geoengineering?
 
You know, as a species... we might need the fossil fuels that are locked in the ground for other greater glactical things, for this reason alone I would like to hang onto more of a finite resource by developing other things than a reliance of fossil fuel.

I might think a bit differently if it turned out that 'fossil' fuels actually came from an abiotic process (look up abiotic theory).

But even if it did, there is still the question of how long that process takes, if it is pretty quick thats great news for always having some crude oil somewhere.... but I would like for us to be able to scrub more carbon out of the atmosphere if that is the case.

We already have a lot of sustainable ways of farming (permaculture, agroforestry etc) that dont need gmo or as much fertiliser, herbicide or insecticides etc etc, we are just not really doing it. We should, along with more carless cities etc.... man - technology is also moving really fast... I'd hate to miss galactic possibilities right before all the awesome singularities happen.
 
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Also, what I'm worried about is this...

There is evidence to show that the way the earth moves and tilts around around the sun changes, which is one of the things that leads to "normal" climate change. Those normal changes match what we have discovered from drilling ice layer tubes going almost half a million years back.

These layers show that *after* these hot peaks of the world's climate there is an increase in c02, this lags behind so it is only after the earth starts to cool down there is a peak of c02. I think this is due to the earths eco system taking a beating and there being a lot more death than usual, life hangs onto carbon so when a lot of it dies a lot of that 'living' carbon is released. There is also a lot of stored carbon in the surface of the earth that can be released... like when peat dries out due to being, well drier than before, due to a falling water table.

Anyway, what I'm worried about is having a lot more c02 around when we enter the warmer times (warmer times due to where we are in relation to the sun) it's normally not there see? Not at these levels.. And we do know that c02 is a 'greenhouse' gas, its a pretty old and understood experiment.... Btw, it was actually Eunice Foote who identified CO2 as a greenhouse gas in 1856, a woman none the less!

The ice layers seem to point to us being at the start of that warm cycle too.


I'm sure at some point we will be able to pull liquid fuel right out of the atmosphere using sunlight, but again I want the earth to see such things happen, and not extinct ourselvess before we realise such!
 
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Raymond Lin said:
I don’t know what “side” you are on, nor do I care, you brought that up out of nowhere , no one asked you of your political allegiance, or should it matter. It speaks volume you put that on the forefront when it comes to climate change and think all global warming data is left wing and thus they must be the enemy.
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Again, you've absolutely no basis for this claim. Where did I say all "global warming data" is left wing? Where have I said climate change is not occurring? Where have I said humans do not contribute to climate change? You've created such a big straw man I feel like I'm watching the Wicker Man. And not the good version!
 
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Again, you've absolutely no basis for this claim. Where did I say all "global warming data" is left wing? Where have I said climate change is not occurring? Where have I said humans do not contribute to climate change? You've created such a big straw man I feel like I'm watching the Wicker Man. And not the good version!
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No, you just don't like people who have less life experience than you.

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Show me something that isn't an opinion piece by some left-wing journalist, show me something objective and factual and by all means I'll consider it.
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This left wing thing you started, it was less than 24 hrs ago, have you forgotten already? Are we going back in circles?
 
I had to google about this person.

I feel sorry for her.
This is child abuse on another level.
 
We just need less people to be born and wind the population of the planet down to a sustainable level. Who the hell wants to be packed into a city anyway, it's madness.

Less people and more untouched countryside, sounds like heaven to me.
 
Raymond Lin said:
No, you just don't like people who have less life experience than you.
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Again, a straw man. I have been explicit in saying that my issue with being lectured by a sixteen year old who has no life experience. I have not said I don't like people with less life experience.

This left wing thing you started, it was less than 24 hrs ago, have you forgotten already? Are we going back in circles?
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Not in reference to climate change I didn't. Although if your evidence for climate change was the opinions of left wing journalists, I absolutely would call them out.
 
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