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You lot may have remembered me asking if getting a 330Ci is worth my time/money at 18. I've waived that one goodbye since as I saw, it was a silly idea :p

I've now got my mind set on a Toyota GT86 (Used), something around the first two years of production (2012-2013), however I've been wondering what to look for - Ideally, I'd like sub-45k Miles, £12k after negotiation, Full Toyota Service History.

What sort of issues are common with these too? I know the engines are pretty much bulletproof when it comes to that however I've heard of a couple of stories about windows scratching badly and a dodgy battery.

Anyone here with experience of buying a used GT86? I know I've seen @Conscript on the 86 forums so maybe you can help out? :)
 
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Not *that* much goes wrong with them if you don't mess with them. There's some niggles which can pop up - you're pretty much guaranteed some but unlikely all of the below:

Early 48a batteries aren't big enough. Warranty covers swap to a bigger 65a.
Mirror glass on interior mirror delaminates and falls off.
Runners on windows can cause scratches as they get older.
Window quarterpanel pillar rusts. Get this done if you see a hint of it, each tiny window part is 400 quid a side!
Cricket sounding fuel pump.
Condensation in rear lights.
Gear linkage rattle. Tends to happen at about 5k rpm, can't be completely solved.
2nd gear being a **** to engage when gearbox is cold.
Cam cover oil leak

Most of the above are easy to sort with the exception of 2nd gear being a ****. That's just a quirk of the car and you have to live with it. Gearbox oil change can help but isn't a definite fix.

I love mine, it's a great introduction to RWD. Not sure how you'll get on with insurance though given your age. I'd have thought it'll be unreasonable to say the least.

Thanks for the reply Lowe :)

I've heard about the 2nd gear one, my dad drives an MX5 Mk3 (Previously had a Mk1) and said he gets the 2nd gear issue, also read somewhere that they use the same gearboxes, whether this is true or not is beyond me.

Insurance is by far not a pleasing number to look at (£2500 :() however I'm willing to foot this. Hoping to get one from a Toyota dealership ideally, then I can get a 12 month warranty and get rid of any issues that have not been solved if it has any.
 
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Hello. There are some common minor issues which were easily covered by the warranty. The first cars are now just coming out of warranty (mine is a 2013 62 plate and the warranty ended on 31st January), so if you pick one up it might be worth checking to see if these have already been addressed.

- Battery. It's known for being a little weak and discharging quickly on cars that aren't driven regularly. Owners who suffered not being able to start the car after it had been sat were able to in a lot of instances to get the original 48aH battery replaced under warranty with an uprated 65Ah, which is something you should be able to check by inspecting the battery. But even if it's not been replaced, you are probably better off just buying a decent aftermarket battery. That being said, this is not a problem for everyone; I've had the car almost 5 years and driven it daily, and despite being a little sluggish on cold mornings after sitting a couple of days, not once has it failed to start. On a weekend car, it might become more of a problem.
- Tail light condensation. Another common problem was the build up of condensation in the tail lights. Widely reported, but again, an easy warranty fix. I never had mine done as I never noticed enough condensation in mine to warrant me thinking it was a problem. Also, a lot of people swap the rear tail lights for aftermarket units anyway (because rofLexus).
- Crickets. Perhaps the most infamous issue is the engine "chirping" noise. Just do a Google search for "gt86 noisy crickets", I'm sure you'll find some examples. It's a noise caused by the high-pressure fuel pump when the engine is warm. There's apparently a revised part which was fitted under warranty, although some owners reported the noise coming back after replacement. As far as I know though, it's not a problem, I don't recall anyone reporting the pump to have failed. Just sounds a bit odd, that's all. Mine does it when run on V-Power, but interestingly, it's silent using Esso 97, so it's something to do with fuel content. I never bothered getting mine replaced as I don't notice it much anyway, but it's worth mentioning that if you hear it, it's a common noise and not necessarily something to worry about.
- Quarter light window trim. Check the piece of vertical black trim that sits between the moving part of the passenger window, and the small triangle quarter light. Right where is meets the seal running along the top of the door. A bad design means that you can get bubbles of rust forming where the pieces of trim rub against each other. Again, should have been easy to rectify under warranty - something I've neglected myself as it's not too noticeable, but I might get it looked at. The part can be replaced, but it's quite expensive and requires the door being taken apart, so try and find one where it's already been rectified.
- Rear view mirror. The car has a frameless rear view mirror, but several owners, myself included, found that it started to suffer from de-lamination around the edges. My initial warranty claim for this was rejected, Toyota claiming that it wasn't covered under the normal warranty as it was an interior part and subject to wear and tear. However, on the advice of the service manager of the local Toyota dealer, I kicked up a fuss with a Strongly Worded Email(TM) direct to Toyota GB - they replaced it without any further argument.
- Cam cover oil leak. Another "common" issue, is that there is a small triangular cam cover in the engine bay which can seep oil. It's not really much to worry about, can be easily fixed with an aftermarket plate and even so, the "leak" is minimal....not even enough that you'd notice a drop in oil level. I've checked mine and it seems OK, but look into it if you wish. I wouldn't even use it to discount a car I was looking at, just an easy fix to be aware of.

As for the scratched windows, I haven't seen too many complaints about this. When the car is dirty, I can see some vertical stripes on the window which I think is caused by the mechanism inside the door contacting the glass. However it's minor and the glass is undamaged so I don't worry about it. I can't really think of any other known issues. There's been talk of blown engines, but as far as I know, it's mainly from people running modified cars using a lot of boost.

A few quality of life things I'd bear in mind if you do buy one:
- Gearbox quality. A lot of owners experience a particularly notchy and hard to engage second gear, especially when the engine is cold. It's not generally something to worry about, but I would recommend getting a decent quality gearbox oil installed as it can improve the feel of the gearbox immensely. It's also worth noting that there's a company call MTEC who sell a set of stronger shifter springs for the gearbox which make it feel much nicer - a little tricky to install, but often cited as the best bang for buck modification to do to the car.
- Clutch. Similarly, the clutch on the car is often criticised for feeling a little vague. Part of the problem is that the clutch pedal assembly houses a powerful helper spring which keeps the pedal taught when released, but helps actuate the clutch as it is pressed down. This spring can be removed entirely, or you can get onto MTEC again who sell a weaker spring. I installed this and it made the clutch feel much more direct and responsive and made the car easier to drive as a result.

Finally, just a word on service costs. They aren't horrendous at all, but bear in mind that the 60K mile service interval involves a spark plug change. This will be expensive, as the spark plugs are not easy to access at all. Expect to pay £500-600 for this. It's not unexpected, just a cost you'll have to bear, but it's worth bearing in mind if you pick up a car approaching this mileage, that it might need doing soon. If you start looking at higher mileages, maybe try and find one which has passed 60K and has had this service done already.

I now notice that whilst I've been typing all this, Lowe has responded covering most of the above but much more succinctly, so I'll stop typing now and just say if you have any further questions, I'm happy to help where I can :)

Thanks also Conscript :)

I've seen about the 60k service being expensive so wanting to get something around the 45k mark so I don't have to worry about this for the next year and a half or so.

The battery one shouldn't be too big of an issue as it'd be a daily driver
 
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Thanks for the replies guys,

Want to ideally keep it below 45k ish even though I can see the reasoning behind getting 60k+ due to the servicing. Happy to foot this cost when the time comes.

Colour is also a question, I'd like either White Red or Blue (Obviously it'll depend on what's available at the time) and am completely torn between the three.
 
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Since the fuel pump in mine was replaced about 6 months ago it's been silent. I think they did update the design to fix it.

Even if it does chirp it's not a sign it's going to break. I've yet to hear of one failing and the garage that did mine say they have never had to replace a broken one.

I think it's one of them hit and miss things where it'll only annoy me if I notice it's there and sit listening to it, however that being said I rarely sit with my engine idling in my current car for longer than ~1 minute (with the exception of traffic lights and the likes). Can't really say if it's going to be noticeable till I get in one with it :)
 
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Very interesting! Delta3D have you got an insurance quote yet? I hope it's reasonable, driving a Gt86 as an 18 year old would be pretty epic!!!

I have indeed, looking at around £2400 without a blackbox or £1800 with one, I'm going for the non-box option though :) I'm going to be calling up the modified specialist insurers like Adrian Flux closer to the time to see if I can knock some pennies off. Will update the final price in August though :)

It's a big price but it'll go with a big smile driving around in a GT86 at 18
 
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2.4k for insurance? Mental, not worth it imho. Chances are you’ll bin it too. Not being funny but I know what most lads are like at 18 having been there and got the Tshirt. I’ve had some ‘interesting’ moments in mine that made me wonder how I came out the other end in one piece and I’m not that hard a driver. Usually in wet or snowy weather - in the dry it’s nice and predictable. When it’s really wet or icey though all bets are off, especially if you’re on stock tyres.

I'm not generally one to fit the 18 year old "wannabe rally driver" - I've grown up around cars with my dad being fond of them. I like to think of myself sensible where I floor it and where I don't, compared to friends who have had near misses and/or binned it who shrug it off to someone elses fault whereas if I get into anything close I think why it happened and prevent it happening again if possible.

My current insurance on a 1.2 TSi Ibiza was £1400 with a blackbox and looking like it's going to be £1400 again without one next year, where I'd rather fork out a bit more and get the car I want to keep.

Aiming to get one and ease myself into how it feels rather than getting it and planting it round bends on my first month of ownership as I'm planning on keeping it for years to come. :)
 
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3 Months Later, I've just paid for my insurance, £1.9k without blackbox (Which is actually amazing for an 18 year old) - Off to sign the papers to the car on Wednesday and picking it up 1st August! :)

Got a red one.
 
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Cheers both - and it's gonna be a killer waiting!

I'm just surprised on the insurance! Was getting quotes at £3.5-3.7k thinking "This is never gonna happen" then bam, all of the sudden a 1.9k quote appeared. - Ended up upping my budget to £13,750 and bagged a Red 2013 Plate, 31k Miles.

Will post pictures on Wednesday!
 
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Really... do yourself a big favour, wait a couple of years. No gt 86 is worth 2 bloody grand on insurance. In fact most cars are worth no where near that.
Yes yes some will come on saying i am a killjoy ect, justnaff off.. with an insurance overhead like that hanging...over you all the time, the least wee ding or No fault accident and well your premiums more than the national debt of the USA.
I have done the silly car at young age but not that young, you will look back in ten years at paying that kind of money with a very heavy heart. Get one in 12 to 18 months and see what the insurance is like then.

It's something I'm going to keep for years to come, trust me when I say this but £2000 is not a lot for insurance at my age. I've got a friend paying that for a 1.2 Ibiza 70hp 2005, and that's with a blackbox.
The majority of my friends are around the 2k mark with blackboxes and my quotes for the Ibiza I currently have was £1400 without a box, so an extra £600 isn't a lot to me, I have no bills or a house to pay for yet. :)
 
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Wicked car to get at 18 but you're bonkers putting that much money into a car before moving out!

Enjoy it though, I'd have loved one at that age :D

I considered a house deposit before putting the money into this and justified it because I can't afford to run a house yet however if I get this car I've still got enough time to save for a deposit before I can actually afford it :)
 
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Glad to hear you’ve got one albeit with bonkers insurance. :D

Out of interest, how many miles has the car got on it? I only ask since if running a house seems expensive there’s a couple of services that the 86 needs which are eye watering money compared to the more usual maintenance costs.

Car has 31k Miles on it, getting a full service from Toyota before I pick it up, 2013 Reg. I'm going to be putting money aside for servicing etc :)

Don't ****ing bin it and put my insurance up!

I won't don't worry :p

Ignore the naysayers! Glad you’ve managed to get an insurance quote that’s not ridiculous (albeit more than I’d like to ever pay for insurance!).

There’s a reason you’ve gone for this car - because you’re an actual car enthusiast. As such you’ll realise that this isn’t the car for the traffic light GP or burnouts at Maccy D’s. It’s for getting up early on a summer’s morning and going for a B road blast!

Take your time to get to know the car. Don’t show off and bin it in the first week.

Make sure you enjoy it!

Thanks Tom :) This is exactly my reasoning behind the car, bombing around McDonalds or B&Q Carpark (seems to be the generic place around here) doesn't bother me, I just want to be able to enjoy it on some good country roads :D
 
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The services costs are halved after the warranty expires btw. So if your at the 5 year mark and about to hit 60k, it's worth leaving it a bit :p

Do the gearbox and dif oil yourself using better stuff tbh. It makes the gear changes a bit nicer too.

Was planning on potentially changing the gearbox oil when I get it if it has the 2nd gear issue - My dad has a MX5 NC with the same box and he changed his to some Ford branded stuff and it seemed to almost completely fix the issue. :)
 
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So I knuckled down with the saving, and have been without a car since July, and I now have enough money for a GT86. :D
I'll be going to view some in the next week. I've decided to get one from a Toyota dealership if I can as I figure Toyota approved ones would be in the best condition.

I know about a few of the issues as they have been discussed in this thread and I'm going to list them, please let me know if I've missed any.

1. The chirping noise. I've listened to a few YouTube videos of this so think I can recognise that.
2. The window problem. Pretty easy to spot this one, even for someone not mechanically minded like me. Look for scratches.
3. The gearbox issue. Im going for an automatic so this won't apply to me. I don't think?
4. The rear view mirror problem. The mirror comes off the backing, not too much of a problem.
5. Rusty door pillars.

Anyone wanna add any other things to look out for?

2 months in to ownership, from what I can say:

You will definitely recognise the chirping noise. Mine gets it when I run on 98 but ran it once on 95 where it didn't happen. Not noticeable 99% of the time unless you're outside the car standing near the bonnet whilst it's running for whatever reason.

Auto will miss the gearbox issues :)

I've got the rusty door pillars starting to show now however I think if you catch it early you'll be able to prevent it.

I went with Toyota Approved from Listers in Nuneaton, had no issues with that.

Unfortunately mine's been involved in a crash already though, small bump so got off very very lightly, other two drivers are in intensive care a week later. Non fault as someone went to overtake me on a blind resulting in head on crash. Waiting on insurance now which is going to be a sad one to see added when I come to renew seeing as though I'm 18, 19 at the time of renewal :(

100% a fantastic car to drive, I don't feel like it needs more power, may think differently down the line but it has a nice amount as it is.

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Damn mate I'm sorry about the crash, hope you get the insurance pay out.
For that crash damage, if it's just the bumper scrape I wouldn't have even claimed tbh. Probably cheaper in the long run to get it fixed yourself. Sand it down (to save money on labour) and get it re-sprayed.

Insurance should pay out, only issue I had originally as I wasn't going to claim was the fact the police had my registration written against the Incident Number to say I'd been involved so either way I'd have to declare on my next policy that I'd been involved in an accident. Thought I may aswell claim because it shouldn't make any further difference to the increase I'll already get :)
 
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Well at the end of the day it's only money and as long as you wasn't hurt. And hopefully you don't suffer any mental side effects. I had a crash at 19, someone pulled out of a junction without looking and I had no choice but to hit them. For quite a while after, I was hesitant whenever someone was pulling up to a junction as I was going past.

Too right! Have had some mental side effects from it but I keep myself looking on the positive outlook that I wasn't in hospital, I think it was mainly seeing the state of the other guys and their cars that affected me.

I flinched the other day when someone went to overtake me, but I think I'll get better with time.


- Back to the topic though do send pics when you get your hands on an 86! :)
 
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