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GTA5 CPU Benchmarks (I3 beats FX yet again)

Th0nt said:
Scurb have you got GTA5?
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Purchased yes, fully downloaded...nope :( I live in one of the slowest areas/roads for internet in the country (5 years of promises broken every time), so at 60gb I'm in for quite a wait. Not to mention I have to limit the speed further as I cant go without youtube etc.
 
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I hear ya. We relocated to rural area where the wife grew up and we get 2Mb or just over that max. When BF4 came out it took overnight to get the game downloaded. Even patches were a come back once you eat your dinner arrangement.
 
Scurburg said:
Purchased yes, fully downloaded...nope :( I live in one of the slowest areas/roads for internet in the country (5 years of promises broken every time), so at 60gb I'm in for quite a wait. Not to mention I have to limit the speed further as I cant go without youtube etc.
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Move house dude, it's 2015 and life is too short to spend in the dial up age.
 
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We need to come up with a clear way of identifying the limiting factor or "bottleneck" if we must call it that. It will take someone smarter than me for that though.

Martini, since you seem to think your GPU is the limit, could you not try and downclock your CPU to show when the CPU is the limiting factor? Not sure how much use it will be, but I'm interested to know (Would do it myself but still downloading)


Also since you have shown that disabling a thread seems to have little affect, how many threads do you need to disable until it does.
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chipset and chipset drivers. AMD chips are still running on a 4 year old Chipset IF AMD had actually released a new chipset like Intel do every year they may be more on par. Instead we rely on Drivers from the company that lets be honest has a bad rep when it comes to driver releases. Essentially I think we should wait for a new chipset from AMD then see how far they have come. Hopefully they've learned from the past 4 years of stagnation.

I doubt haswell on it's own is a massive improvement over my 3770k but I can't test it fairly to check. but there is no doubt that z97 and 4790k offers better overall performance than z77 and 3770k not an upgrade that's worth £400 but i can see from peoples benchmarks and posts how my chipset and chip are affecting performance.
 
TwsT said:
chipset and chipset drivers. AMD chips are still running on a 4 year old Chipset IF AMD had actually released a new chipset like Intel do every year they may be more on par.
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And what's the point of that when the 990 board has more PCIE bandwidth than the Z97?

Sure, there's no MSATA (how long did that last before M2 replaced it?) or M2 but those are easily added via PCIE adapters and the board has more than enough PCIE lanes to deal with it.

Near on everything Intel have added to their boards is frivolous crap that never means anything. SLI actually runs better on the 990 boards than Crossfire does, which I find hilarious but there you go.

Looking at this -

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1911-gta-v-cpu-benchmark-4790k-3570k-9590-more

It's quite clear that the 9590 (which could be any FX 8 core, given they all overclock well) is within a whisker of the CPUs around it. 3570k etc there's like 2 frames in it.

And that seems to be a recurring thing in the latest games. There's literally nothing in it at all so your money should be going on a GPU, not a high end CPU.

I honestly do not expect Zen to have higher IPC than what Intel are making now. Zen, however, seems to be mental on core count, something Intel are holding back on. I remember reading an article where Intel were having trouble getting 12 Haswell cores to run properly so released a 10 core Xeon instead.

*IF* software finally starts to thread as it should (and does in workstations and servers) then Zen could well be the future.

So far to be completely honest there has been no reason why AMD should bother to release a new chipset.
 
The one thread DrawCall DX11 problem will disappear once engines upgrade to DX12.

At the moment developers deliberately limit themselves to around 500K DrawCalls roughly because anything over that starts to bottleneck higher end GPU's, actually its a real pain in the ####

DX12 will push literally 15 times that with ease (Depending on how many Cores the CPU has). the result of that is an Athlon 760K will push more DrawCalls in DX12 than the most powerful overclocked Intel CPU can in DX11.

Once DX12 games come out initially your not going to see a difference in any mid to extreme end CPU's as no one will have a way of developing games that push 5m + DrawCalls.
 
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ALXAndy said:
And what's the point of that when the 990 board has more PCIE bandwidth than the Z97?

Sure, there's no MSATA (how long did that last before M2 replaced it?) or M2 but those are easily added via PCIE adapters and the board has more than enough PCIE lanes to deal with it.

Near on everything Intel have added to their boards is frivolous crap that never means anything. SLI actually runs better on the 990 boards than Crossfire does, which I find hilarious but there you go.

Looking at this -

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1911-gta-v-cpu-benchmark-4790k-3570k-9590-more

It's quite clear that the 9590 (which could be any FX 8 core, given they all overclock well) is within a whisker of the CPUs around it. 3570k etc there's like 2 frames in it.

And that seems to be a recurring thing in the latest games. There's literally nothing in it at all so your money should be going on a GPU, not a high end CPU.

I honestly do not expect Zen to have higher IPC than what Intel are making now. Zen, however, seems to be mental on core count, something Intel are holding back on. I remember reading an article where Intel were having trouble getting 12 Haswell cores to run properly so released a 10 core Xeon instead.

*IF* software finally starts to thread as it should (and does in workstations and servers) then Zen could well be the future.

So far to be completely honest there has been no reason why AMD should bother to release a new chipset.
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Z97 will be replaced in June, July or August with Z107, which upgrades the DMI link from CPU to PCH from 2.0 to 3.0, doubling the bandwidth to 4GB/sec.

This will mean you can still have one of two GPU's using the 16 lanes from CPU to GPU's (x16 for one GPU, 2x8 for two GPU's) and still quite a few NVME PCI-E based drives using the PCI-E lanes from PCH to drive them.

In other words, it will be a non issue once Z107 launches, soon.

For those wanting more PCI-E bandwitdh, for 3 or 4 GPU's, x58, x79 and x99 all offer 40 PCI-E lanes from the CPU (apart from 28 lanes on the 5820K).

As Twst says, the AMD platform chipset is very dated and out of place in 2015, when you consider the features it supports. Then you have to consider the craptastic performance, TDP and power consumption of the FX CPU's. Not a wise choice today.
 
Regarding DX12 games, it will likely be quite some time before we see games utilizing the features of it, so id say we will all be on much newer cpu's by then.
 
setter said:
Regarding DX12 games, it will likely be quite some time before we see games utilizing the features of it, so id say we will all be on much newer cpu's by then.
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Depends on how fast game engines implement it, i would think DICE will be pretty quick off the mark, Frostbite 4?

Cryengine EaaS and Cryengine 4 was in the process of having Mantle, it may still have and like Frostbite 3 with Mantle stepping to DX12 should be far easier.

Unreal Engine are not going to be left behind.

Its going to be a race between the main engines, none of them would want to be left behind and some of them have a headstart with Mantle already in them.

I think a lot of them already have working prototypes.

It may be a surprise to some just how fast DX12 Engines spill onto the market after Microsoft release it and if you already have a game in development in one of those Engines getting an upgrade i don't see any reason why your game there after is not DX12.

Some Existing games like BF4 might be upgraded.
 
We've heard it all before, ever since Bulldozer was released AMD proponents have been preaching to us all that it would only be a matter of time until threading gets better and AMD have parity, years passed and Intel quads were still faster...

Then it changed to it being only a matter of time until console ports appear which are built from the ground up with parallelism in mind thanks to AMD winning the console contracts, the massive blockbuster GTA V has just been released after a year or so of optimisation and Intel quads are still much faster when you take GPU bottlenecks out of the equation...

So now, 4 years later it's changed again and the latest straw to clutch at is a new API that is still years away from widespread adoption... you should have all just bought an Intel quad and saved yourselves years of waiting/wishful thinking.
 
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mmj_uk said:
So now, 4 years later it's changed again and the latest straw to clutch at is a new API that is still years away from widespread adoption... you should have all just bought an Intel quad and saved yourselves years of waiting/wishful thinking.
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Erm? you haven't read anything in this thread have you?

Your assertions are so far out of place here i don't even know where to begin.

What difference the API makes, well... just spend a few hours educating yourself before you come in like that making these assertions, no one who understands any of this can take anything you say seriously.

As for the "you should have just bought Intel to start with" assumes that we are in someway unhappy with our purchase.
How one could follow this thread and conclude that is... surprising? to be polite.

Have you just wondered in here having read the thread title and reeled off some junk that you think might get you in with the popular kids?

Thats sure as hell what it looks like.
 
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It is to be expected from certain individuals.

Its not like I nor anyone intelligent refuses to buy an intel component. I seldom game and bench enough these days as I have a life evolving round my family having kids. If I bought a quad core it would not be worth the outlay and for marginal gains pointless.

I could buy an i7 hex core and be done with it. That would be an upgrade. But for the reasons I just mentioned the i7 can wait until I need it or have surplus cash to burn.
 
I am tempted by an X99 hex-core. It would be particularly useful for ESXi (the main reason I went for an FX-8 in the first place), but would also be rather expensive replacing the 32GB of memory I currently have with DDR4.
 
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