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GTX 1070 - any takers?

Rroff said:
Its amazing :( a few years back nVidia would have been crucified for it, these days people even defend them.
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Remember the 7970 release, AMD did get crucified because of the price.

Rusty0611 said:
The Titan I never minded because it priced so that most people won't bother and additionally it's a true high end card. That said the pricing on the 1080 and 1070 is - in my opinion - completely ludicrous.

I've got no problems if people weigh up the pros and cons and decide to plump for either but objectively these cards are priced at least a tier above what they should be. Let's remind ourselves that these are 256 bit bus, GP104 GPUs yet priced along the lines of previous Ti/x80 lines.

It's too far for me to go for in this generation personally.
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You summed it up perfectly and I have been saying this through various threads for the last couple of weeks but getting nowhere. Like Roff, I have problem with people defending these prices. These are high end prices for mid tier parts.

I blame the Titan. The Titan was a high end card, but it was no different than the 580 GTX. Both were the highest cards based on the high end chip at the time. But because there was no high end card for the first generation of Kepler and that Nvidia hyped up the Titan to the last. People went crazy to own one.

Back then some people feared, me included, that the Titan's high price would mean that the prices of other cards would start rising. We were shouted down of course. Told that we were crying salty tears because we couldn't afford one, that these were just a once off card etc etc

But I feared has happened. The Titan has been used to increase prices. People think they are getting good value because they are comparing the performance and price with the Titan card. It allowed them to move the pricing up a tier.
 
Would you upgrade / change?.

Not sure what to do here, I Bought a secondhand Alienware Area 51 R2..

The graphics were overspecced for me but the system was Cheap(ish)

Its fitted with 3x Reference 980s.

I figure 1x 1070 would be plenty for what I do (Photo/Video Editing) and a little mild gaming (Sim City type stuff on a 39" 4k monitor)

Figure I could probably sell the 980s for about £210ish each so £630 total.

£400 for a single 1070

+ Less Power use and no SLI Madness (Could add a second 1070 in future if needed)
- no longer original spec less resale value down the line

What do you think, would I be mad sacrificing the 3 980s for a single 1070?
 
melmac said:
But I feared has happened. The Titan has been used to increase prices. People think they are getting good value because they are comparing the performance and price with the Titan card. It allowed them to move the pricing up a tier.
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Their pricing is going to be situational. The 970 was well cheaper than the 670 and 770 before it. And the cards below it were priced entirely normally as well. The 1070 was technically priced lower than those two as well, it just seems like the UK/EU is getting gouged by somebody along the chain.

What we need is competition. Then the demand for these cards wont be nearly as high and they cant get away with the high pricing. But so long as they have cards that the competition cant touch performance-wise, then they will take advantage of the enthusiasts who want that step up and are willing to pay for it.
 
Seanspeed said:
Are you seriously ignoring all the crucifying that people ARE doing to them over this? Or are you just going to pick out the rare exceptions and then act like they represent the popular opinion?
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Really? You think the reaction on this forum is Nvidia getting crucified over their prices? You should have been here when AMD released the 7970.

People are complaining about price and then buying one anyway, yeah, way stick to Nvidia. That's going to hurt them!!
 
Allways the competitions fault! Nvidia doing what they do best with marketing but it's okay because there is no competition so they are allowed to charge high prices if you wana blame some one blame Amd they are to blame for high prices xD

Beautiful! :D
 
Remember when we all found out about the gimped 4GB VRAM of the 970 and people were raging at nvidia for what they did... what did those people go and do to show their annoyance at nvidia... pay them even more money for the 980 :D
 
james.miller said:
Yeah that's exactly what all the majority some about 5% of hte 970 owners did. if that.
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Yup, in reality, out of all the 970 users, most of them probably wouldn't have cared but on this forum and others, the vast majority of enthusiasts did care as such a huge song and dance was made out of it hence why gibbo and the manufacturers decided to allow returns (also because it was good business move for them in terms of even more profit from those buying the more expensive 980 as well as showing good customer service), iirc, nvidia didn't help at all...

The fact that more or less every tech. forum had 200+ page thread on the issue showed this.

IIRC, Gibbo said that just less than 10% of people who had bought a 970 had returned theirs within the allocated time period. Not to mention I'm sure that there would have been people selling theirs on ebay/gumtree or wherever if their etailer wasn't accepting returns.

Either way, my point wasn't about how many people returned the 970 and bought the 980 but the fact that nvidia can and will always get away with things like this because "nvidia"... People complain about stuff but they don't actually do anything serious about it i.e. voting with their wallet, a bit like all those people who constantly whinge about games being broken on day 1 and being downgraded yet still continue to pre-order games + season pass based on 1 CGI trailer....
 
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Nexus18 said:
Yup, in reality, out of all the 970 users, most of them probably wouldn't have cared but on this forum and others, the vast majority of enthusiasts did care as such a huge song and dance was made out of it hence why gibbo and the manufacturers decided to allow returns (also because it was good business move for them in terms of even more profit from those buying the more expensive 980 as well as showing good customer service)

The fact that more or less every tech. forum had 200+ page thread on the issue showed this.

IIRC, Gibbo said that just less than 10% of people who had bought a 970 had returned theirs within the allocated time period. Not to mention I'm sure that there would have been people selling theirs on ebay/gumtree or wherever if their etailer wasn't accepting returns.

Either way, my point wasn't about how many people returned the 970 and bought the 980 but the fact that nvidia can and will always get away with things like this because "nvidia"... People complain about stuff but they don't actually do anything serious about it i.e. voting with their wallet, a bit like all those people who constantly whinge about games being broken on day 1 and being downgraded yet still continue to pre-order games + season pass based on 1 CGI trailer....
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people who did return their cards did vote with their wallet. Had AMD of had a suitable card out at the time, it probably would have been bought at least as much as the 980's were by the tiny amount of people who did return cards. But there wasnt one, so what are you going to do? call that small portion of returnee's who went on to buy 980s a bunch of idiots? Because they want to play games and the 980 was a logical step up and they didn't mind paying the extra? Don't forget, some of those returnees would have also gone on to buy 290x's or something else entirely (or nothing at all!) instead of taking the chance to upgrade, but that's never mentioned by people making statements like yours, because it doesn't fit i guess.

It should be said that this doesn't mean the rest of the owners who kept the cards got it wrong, either. it means they didn't experience any issues with the cards. Seriously, nobody save a handful of nutjobs would have kept the cards if they were causing issue but this also is ignored of course because it doesn't fit with your statement either.

Either way, my point wasn't about how many people returned the 970 and bought the 980 but the fact that nvidia can and will always get away with things like this because "nvidia"... People complain about stuff but they don't actually do anything serious about it i.e. voting with their wallet, a bit like all those people who constantly whinge about games being broken on day 1 and being downgraded yet still continue to pre-order games + season pass based on 1 CGI trailer....
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Well maybe it should have been, because with general statements like the one you just made its quite easy to paint a picture of 970 owners, all of them rolling over backwards, foaming at the mouth thinking of the prospect of returning their 970s and buying 980s, and nVidia skipping off in to the sunset because they've walked out of the situation with a boat load of extra profit.

The reality was quite different, of course.
 
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melmac said:
Really? You think the reaction on this forum is Nvidia getting crucified over their prices? You should have been here when AMD released the 7970.

People are complaining about price and then buying one anyway, yeah, way stick to Nvidia. That's going to hurt them!!
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Yes, LOTS of people are complaining about the pricing here. Go back to where the pricing was announced for OCUK's 1070 cards. It is pretty much nothing but people saying it was insane and whatnot.

And I dont know what you expect - that they'd sell ZERO cards? That not a single person would ever buy one, even if they didn't like the price? You dont have to be super happy with the price to still upgrade, as there's absolutely nothing in its price range that performs as good. So if people desire that performance, they will pay for it. Which is fine, that's their money and they should be able to do with it what they want.

I'm pointing out the nonsense comment that made it sound like nobody was saying anything bad about Nvidia over these prices, even that's made up a huge chunk of the posts here after the prices became available. Just reeks of people trying to do the whole, "Nvidia will get away with everything and nobody says anything about it!" nonsense that isn't remotely true if they stopped and bothered to read instead of showing extreme selective bias to favor their agenda.
 
Nexus18 said:
Either way, my point wasn't about how many people returned the 970 and bought the 980 but the fact that nvidia can and will always get away with things like this because "nvidia"... People complain about stuff but they don't actually do anything serious about it i.e. voting with their wallet,
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They didn't get away with it 'because Nvidia'. Nor did they completely get away with it, anyways. They got tons of bad press for it.

But the card still performed exactly as the reviews said it would and it still remained an awesome card for the price. THATS why they 'got away with it' because that's what matters to consumers most.

Nexus18 said:
a bit like all those people who constantly whinge about games being broken on day 1 and being downgraded yet still continue to pre-order games + season pass based on 1 CGI trailer....
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Are these really the same people, though? Do you know that the people complaining are the ones pre-ordering and buying Season Passes based on a CG trailer? No, you dont.

Not that pre-orders or season passes have anything to do with buggy or downgraded games anyways....
 
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