Exactly! You're making it sound like the popular opinion is that everybody is happy with it, when if you actually read what people are saying, it's quite the opposite. You're picking out the exceptions and trying to say they are the rule.
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GTX 1070 - any takers?
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In past generations if nVidia had released cards that were around the same performance (1070) and slightly faster (1080) than the previous generation top end and called them high end cards with prices to match the tech press would have ripped them a new one not just slightly raised eyebrows as most are.
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Good point
How is paying nvidia more money for doing what they did "voting with their wallet"?
Nvidia would have been laughing all the way to the bank, even if it was a small profit, it is still a profit at the end of the day, the only ones who wouldn't have made as much profit as what they would have liked are the etailers and manufacturers since they had to absorb the costs of the 970s which were returned.Any time the 970 VRAM fiasco is brought up you seem to be quite defensive and vocal about it, are you trying to convince yourself that nvidia did no wrong? There is a 200+ page thread on here if you want to keep defending the whole 970 fiasco
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18651061
There is no point repeating points/arguments that have already been made hundreds of times before and going by your posts on the 970, it is quite clear that you will never change your opinion, so we will agree to disagree.
Yup they got a ton of bad press for it and not just for that but for various things, given how much of the market nvidia own now, do you really think they care about bad press though?
I never commented on how the 970 performed, still a good card, however, if you go into that 200+ thread, you will see quite a few people mentioning that they noticed issues in certain games where VRAM usage was high, afaik, nvidia have been working on the VRAM optimisation to make stutter less noticeable, I believe tommyboy had a couple of videos showing of the issue before and after a certain driver in shadow of mordor.
Did I say they were the same people? No I didn't.
Again, I didn't say that games were downgraded/buggy because of pre-orders and season passes, I said that even with people complaining about the buggy/downgraded games on day 1, they still continue to pre-order and buy season passes based on CGI trailers.
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I'm not - but there is definitely a far bigger ratio of people this time around who are supportive of it and/or having a grumble but buying anyway even for all those having a moan.
The MSRP for the normal 1070's is LESS than it was for the 670 and 770, though. Our issue is mainly that somebody along the chain is price gouging the hell out of the UK/EU 1070's.
I really dont see it. You have to wade through tons of complaining to find these examples.
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The 670 though averaged what about 20% faster than the previous high end card? and even then it was a dubious move by nVidia compared to the 470 versus the generation before it, 260 versus the generation before it, 8800GTS versus the generation before it, etc.
770 was $329, the 1070 is $449 (FE) and $379 for after market ones.
I made my one FPS / £ which at 1080 the R9 390 is 10% better value than both the 970 and 1070 (they both have the same price to performance)
AT 1440 the R9 390 is 15% better value and the other cards.
Only problem is the 390 cannot hold a steady 60+ FPS in many games which is why I think the 1070 is the best value card out at 1440p atm. (Well a second hand 980ti is)
The fact that this jump happened to be a *bit* smaller than the Fermi->Kepler jump doesn't mean you reduce prices. They price based on range, not level of performance jump.
770 was $399.
If you look at it like that then yeah...
The 1070 for a new build is the way forward...Its the people wanting to upgrade their current cards that are moaning.
I sold my 980ti and will have to settle for a 1070...Its not an upgrade...But It will cost me nothing and I get 2 GB more ram
Thats what I keep telling myself anyway.
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If you look at it like that then yeah...
The 1070 for a new build is the way forward...Its the people wanting to upgrade their current cards that are moaning.
I sold my 980ti and will have to settle for a 1070...Its not an upgrade...But It will cost me nothing and I get 2 GB more ram
Thats what I keep telling myself anyway.
Which 1070 you plan on getting?
I settled on a SC 1070 but not happy that I had to put up with the price gouging. I reckon I'll take a £50 bigger hit on my losses when I sell it but well.. I need a card lol
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Is the 1070 powerful enough for 1440p gaming? All bellsnwhistles?
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lets make this perfectly clear right now: my position is not defensive of nVidia in any way. I didnt defend the lying about the technical details of the 970. I didnt defend the way nVidia handled the press after it all blew up, trying to pass of the reduction in ROPs as a miscommunication between marketing and engineering. I didnt defend their lack of cooperation and letting the retailers do thje grunt work with the customers to return cards. Neither am I defending nVidia's pricing strategy on the 1070 now. No, not once have i defended them. If you're going to bring that thread up again and point the finger at me, do yourself a favour and actually read my posts in it.
My issue is the sheep who have kept peddling this trash, that the 970 somehow is a broken card because of memory configuration. It wasn't optimal, no, and it plain didn't work for some people, but its nothing like what people were claiming at the time (and still are even now). This is evidenced by the number of people who did keep the card, the people who bought the cards after the event and who still own the cards now. Yes the cards didn't work for some people. Those people got their money back. Done.
I'm also fed up with reading about how nVidia 'got away with this', how 970 users returned the courtesy shafting they got by rolling over and buying 980s. Its drivel, nVidia got absolutely roasted and rightly so.
So yes, my apologies if you mistake this for some nVidia defencing position. Though GOD ONLY KNOWS how you do.
my opinion on what? that you're wrong about your generalisation that 970 users sent their cards back and bought 980s? no, i wont.. .because you're wrong. A tiny amount of people did, this is nothing like your original point was trying to convey, as is ever the case when people bring up that nonsense.
people who did have problems were almost exclusively sli users. And i fully agreed with them, and everybody else who wanted to, sending the cards back. But lets not let facts get in the way.
No, or if he did i didn't see any video. He said modor had stuttering, i posted a video with no stuttering. I don't know from that which driver fixed it (if it was even an issue with teh card/driver) and i dont remember specific drivers being discussed but i played through SoM with no issues at all and i didn't see many people at all complaining about stuttering in SoM.
My issue is the sheep who have kept peddling this trash, that the 970 somehow is a broken card because of memory configuration. It wasn't optimal, no, and it plain didn't work for some people, but its nothing like what people were claiming at the time (and still are even now). This is evidenced by the number of people who did keep the card, the people who bought the cards after the event and who still own the cards now. Yes the cards didn't work for some people. Those people got their money back. Done.
I'm also fed up with reading about how nVidia 'got away with this', how 970 users returned the courtesy shafting they got by rolling over and buying 980s. Its drivel, nVidia got absolutely roasted and rightly so.
So yes, my apologies if you mistake this for some nVidia defencing position. Though GOD ONLY KNOWS how you do.
my opinion on what? that you're wrong about your generalisation that 970 users sent their cards back and bought 980s? no, i wont.. .because you're wrong. A tiny amount of people did, this is nothing like your original point was trying to convey, as is ever the case when people bring up that nonsense.
people who did have problems were almost exclusively sli users. And i fully agreed with them, and everybody else who wanted to, sending the cards back. But lets not let facts get in the way.
No, or if he did i didn't see any video. He said modor had stuttering, i posted a video with no stuttering. I don't know from that which driver fixed it (if it was even an issue with teh card/driver) and i dont remember specific drivers being discussed but i played through SoM with no issues at all and i didn't see many people at all complaining about stuttering in SoM.
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For most stuff yes - even my 780 doesn't do too badly at 1440p with everything turned up other than sometimes having to back off AA a bit (when coupled with a G-Sync panel - I'd have probably upgraded before now without G-Sync).
Indeed.
We are just being taken for a ride due to short supply. Things will get back to normal once there is loads of stock.
There is nothing wrong with the RRP of the 1070 at all. I think it is pretty good.
I do however think the FE ******** has skewered the prices up a bit as well.
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