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GTX 670 isn't an option.

No i was asking what i should buy for a cheap upgrade as i dont know what the 7870 and 7850s are capable of, im not an idiot.

Every card ive had has been highspec;

7950GX2
8800GTX Ultimate
9800GX2
GTX 285

Well maybe the 7850 is not high spec but thats my point lol, i also had some crappy ATI cards that i got in a cheap pc bundles.

Well it was in a mag and it beat all the 670 rigs and the 680 rig on every benchmark they did, maybe not KILL the 680 but it beat it.

The 680 is a beast im not saying its a bad card and i know you have 2x so want to defend it but end of the day its flip a coin over the 7970 and the 680 who wins and the 7970 has been winning more from what ive read.

EDIT - And as you can see ive been with Nvidia from the get go so its not like i love ATI or anything.
 
weehamish said:
The 680 is a beast im not saying its a bad card and i know you have 2x so want to defend it but end of the day its flip a coin over the 7970 and the 680 who wins and the 7970 has been winning more from what ive read.

EDIT - And as you can see ive been with Nvidia from the get go so its not like i love ATI or anything.
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This doesn't have anything to do with AMD vs nVidia or defending cards it's just bad information.
 
weehamish said:
No i was asking what i should buy for a cheap upgrade as i dont know what the 7870 and 7850s are capable of, im not an idiot.

Every card ive had has been highspec;

7950GX2
8800GTX Ultimate
9800GX2
GTX 285

Well maybe the 7850 is not high spec but thats my point lol, i also had some crappy ATI cards that i got in a cheap pc bundles.

Well it was in a mag and it beat all the 670 rigs and the 680 rig on every benchmark they did, maybe not KILL the 680 but it beat it.

The 680 is a beast im not saying its a bad card and i know you have 2x so want to defend it but end of the day its flip a coin over the 7970 and the 680 who wins and the 7970 has been winning more from what ive read.

EDIT - And as you can see ive been with Nvidia from the get go so its not like i love ATI or anything.
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It is 8800 GTX Ultra

and my mate down the pub said his friends brothers dad bought a 7750 and it can beat anything going...

I would get proof before making yourself look silly :)
 
it doesn't help that he's talking about pre-built, pre-configured PC's
not identical bench setups with just a GPU change

they could be anything, he might be comparing an unoverclocked 2500k with 680 to a 3930k 4.5ghz with 7970 for all we know
 
andybird123 said:
it doesn't help that he's talking about pre-built, pre-configured PC's
not identical bench setups with just a GPU change

they could be anything, he might be comparing an unoverclocked 2500k with 680 to a 3930k 4.5ghz with 7970 for all we know
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Spot on. I detest misinformation with a passion.
 
I see where your coming from but i cant link since the rules, but im sure you read a lot of mags or maybe not but it was the highlight of this months edition.

Yes the setups were different but all had i5ks some maybe had different clocks but the 7970 rig had the lowest clock so that shouldnt matter if it still won.

Im only pointing out what i read, i dunno why your so defensive about it? Its all there for anyone to read.

I do agree its only on paper though, because each card even the same card could give different scores.

Edit - I may not know as much as some of you people, i mean you have 4252 posts and joined in feb mate lol, you obv love this place and read a lot, but i do make sure i know whats a decent card thats the main reason i came here to get peoples opinions and facts about the 7800 series. Im 2 and half years behind on my current card so not spot on but i know theres nothing in it vrs the 680 and 7970 and so do all of you, put price in the picture which you hate doing and the 7970 wins hands down.
 
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weehamish said:
I see where your coming from but i cant link since the rules, but im sure you read a lot of mags or maybe not but it was the highlight of this months edition.

Yes the setups were different but all had i5ks some maybe had different clocks but the 7970 had the lowest clock so that shouldnt matter if it still won.

Im only pointing out what i read, i dunno why your so defensive about it? Its all there for anyone to read.

I do agree its only on paper though, because each card even the same card could give different scores.
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So you're basically drawing a general conclusion about GPU's when you're not even sure if the CPU's were the same speed? O...K....
 
iB CoMpL3XiTy said:
Some people are comparing diagonally because there buying decision is atleast partly based on price, so yes in the line up of AMD and nVidia GPU's the GTX670 is in competition with the HD7950 but the price does not reflect this (Cheapest GTX670 is £300 on OCUK, cheapest HD7950 is £230....).
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Having a quick scout about for the cheapest prices, it looks roughly like this:

Please list only OCUK prices

Ok, so the 670 is closer to the 7950 in performance than it is to the 7970 but the 7970 is still a good £30 more.

From what I can see, the price points broadly reflect the relative performance, with the 670 falling between the two AMD cards. Obviously there are variations depending on the clocks and prices of specific models of card, and whether you can or do overclock the cards yourself but it's hardly a case of AMD be "massively" cheaper for the same performance that some fanboys on here would have us believe.

Personally, unless there's a pressing need to switch, I think most people will have an affinity for one brand or the other and will stick with it. The price/performance differential between the brands just isn't enough right now to make many people switch allegiance.
 
gregster said:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...-gtx-580-oc-performance-review-3dmark-11.html

I look at this and go "Wow". the 680 smashes the 7970 up but I know different because I look around at many unbiased reviews and even us enthusiasts here do our own testing.

Better to look at many reviews before settling on a magazine who has probably been paid for the review it gives.
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You can tell thats biased it has ASUS infront of the 680 but nothing infront of the 7970.

Also the rig that won had a 670 in it so i think if anyone paid the mag it was that company, there was 10 rigs in it.
 
weehamish said:
You can tell thats biased it has ASUS infront of the 680 but nothing infront of the 7970.

Also the rig that won had a 670 in it so i think if anyone paid the mag it was that company, there was 10 rigs in it.
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If you stopped looking for what you want, you will see they was using a MSI Lightning 7970 Vs Asus 680. Just thought I had better point that out :)
 
weehamish said:
Read up all were 4.5-4.6 and the 7970 was 4.4 it got a low CPU score so it doesnt change anything since it had the lowest clock.
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So they were reviewing "rigs" and all the rigs were the same apart from the GPU? Doesn't sound like a rig review at all. I think you're making it up as you go along :D.

I'll leave this in here:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18451929

End user benchmarks rather than loose heresay based on not a lot of fact :)
 
Lol fair enough it killed it then.

Even at 680 speeds it still got beaten :\

Ill take a pic of the mag benchs tomoz when i get the mag and image shack them just to show im not making it up.

I can still remember when i had my 9800GX2 with an exact same rig as someone and they scored different so its hard to crown a champ on benches alone.
 
Between this generation of cards, there is no winners. One game suits AMD and vice versa. AMD are winning because of value for money IMO and recent drivers have certainly made them more desirable.

My point is it's best to get many reviews and benchmarks before claiming one is better than the other. Not having a go at you, just opening your eyes a little more :)
 
I know what you mean i wasnt trying to crown it fully, but out of 10 setups it coming top is still a good sign for it, like wise is your benches but both cards are overkill anyways.

And yes the games are developed with certain cards so that effects it, then drivers but for £1000 machine id pick a 7970 over a 670 what would you pick? Dont say sli 680s lol.
 
weehamish said:
And yes the games are developed with certain cards so that effects it, then drivers but for £1000 machine id pick a 7970 over a 670 what would you pick? Dont say sli 680s lol.
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Neither.

7950.

weehamish said:
I know what you mean i wasnt trying to crown it fully, but out of 10 setups it coming top is still a good sign for it, like wise is your benches but both cards are overkill anyways.
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I think the magazine you have read can enter the trash pile if it shows either card as a clear winner prior to 12.11 drivers.
 
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