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GTX580 specs and benchmarks

Certainly interesting times for graphics cards on the horizon.

Expect GTX 580 to compete with 6970 but will be destroyed by the 6990.

They are going to have to get the 580 price point right or loose big style.
 
Aurhinius said:
Certainly interesting times for graphics cards on the horizon.

Expect GTX 580 to compete with 6970 but will be destroyed by the 6990.

They are going to have to get the 580 price point right or loose big style.
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Id imagine the 5970 will still still be faster than the 580, looks as if nvidia needs to pull out a new dual gpu board sometime soon.
 
^^^
It is already EOL'd, they wouldn't continue making broken chips given the choice would they...
The question is, how much and how fast do they want to clear down old stock?
 
Omega said:
Awesome. totally shocked NV are bringing another release out this year :)
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By that I assume you mean you're shocked they are finally delivering on the card they launched, last November?

Last November they announced the "Fermi" architecture, with 512sp's, unknown clocks I believe(maybe they did state them, can't remember).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2849

Sorry I was wrong, they "launched" the Fermi architecture, in September last year, the very end of September, they announced it as a 512SP architecture, 384bit

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2918/2

Yup, thats them announcing it..... again, at CES in January, again listing it as a 512SP 384bit bus, blah blah blah.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2977/...-gtx-470-6-months-late-was-it-worth-the-wait-

Thats them finally actually releasing a specific card, but only has 480SP's, thats the end of March.

So this will be the third time they've announced a 512Sp 384bit bus, fundamentally identical architecture, though probably the first time we'll actually see it.


So did you really mean to say awesome, that its taken over 13 months, to relaunch the same part for the 3rd time? Really?

The fact its called a 580GTX is the single most laughable thing I can think of. 3870XT being slower than a 2900XT wasn't great, but it was undoubtably a significantly changed core on a process way smaller(but a rush job and not great. You have to remember how close together the 2900xt/3870/4870 actually were, you would think years apart.

I thought they were years apart, 2900XT was May 2007, 3870 was November 2007, 4870 was June 2008, thats 3 separate architectures, ALL massively different, across 2 process nodes(skipping 65nm) so 80nm and 55nm, in just over a year. Nvidia, by contrast, have re-launched the same product, or sorry, will have, in 13 months, and still not provided a single card.
 
When described like the above, it's difficult not to wonder just what is exactly going on over in the NV camp?! Their marketing department probably has a larger budget than their R&D department :P (Bit like Microsoft employing more lawyers than programmers :P) *

*disclaimer: i'm not bashing here and nor am i claiming to be stating any real facts.. just a light hearted reponse to drunkenmaster's post.
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Going on past launches, a lot more than the competition.
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Thing is you only need one, or maybe two each so it doesn't really matter if the store you're buying from gets 10, or 1000, its surprising how slowly stock sells out, and I'd prefer to pay 10% less than buy from a store that sells more of them, but thats just mad old me.

The 6870's that went VERY cheap elsewhere took over a day to sell out the allocation. I wish OCUK would stop charging a premium for being first, that simply makes you as good as the competition, if you charged THE SAME and were first, that would make you BETTER than the competition.


Its just occured to me, actually on checking the pre-overclocked 480gtx's are pretty expensive, but a stock 580GTX is going to look a lot less fast against a 750Mhz Lightning than a stock card, half/more than half of the 580GTX's speed comes from being clocked higher. But the cheapest pre-overclocked 480GTX isn't very competitive, 26Mhz overclock for £80 more.

IF there were as many and as cheap overclocked 480gtx's as 460/450 cards, the 580GTX wouldn't have much of a performance gap over them at all.

I still think the question for most 580gtx buyers will be, can it overclock noticably further than a 480gtx. If they hit the same clocks its only going to be 5% faster, second hand 480GTX's could become pretty damn decent bargains though.
 
The HD3870 brought HD2900XT level performance to a lower price point just like the HD6870 has brought HD5870 level performance to a lower price point too.
 
han_solo said:
When described like the above, it's difficult not to wonder just what is exactly going on over in the NV camp?! Their marketing department probably has a larger budget than their R&D department :P (Bit like Microsoft employing more lawyers than programmers :P) *

*disclaimer: i'm not bashing here and nor am i claiming to be stating any real facts.. just a light hearted reponse to drunkenmaster's post.
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Nvidia have some GREAT engineers, personally it seems on the outside like a certain someones ego is preventing them really doing great work.

Dear Leader "you must accomplish target X Y and Z"

Engineers "you simple can't produce a core like that in todays manufacturing, it will be late, hot, expensive and largely impossible"

Dear Leader "I don't care, just get it done, I have to go gel my hair and find some more woodscrews".

In interviews it just sounds like he, despite being a business manager and having VERY little real experience in chip design, as in, none, thinks he knows better than everyone else on his staff.

He even managed to say Fermi was great, it was the management not getting everyone together to work well that was at fault, somehow missing he's the most senior manager that gets to make all the biggest decisions.

I don't think they can remove him though, and realistically no ones going to buy them out because the entire value of the company is in the engineering teams ability to create new designs in the future, which, they haven't done yet, current IP is not useless, but its not that valuable. Whoever wants can just come and offer all the engineers jobs when Nvidia are done and have all the value of Nvidia, for nothing.

I'm not sure how much of the company he owns, but he's not a regular CEO as he was a founding owner, I'd assume to get rid of him everyone would have to gang up on him and force a buyout of his shares but if he owns the majority they can't do it.

basically every single other company making chips on the planet seems to realise the limitations in manufacturing as process's get smaller, Nvidia is one of the few to completley and utterly ignore this, and as a direct result they've had two generations where the high end largest core is simply not profitable and thats leaked down to the midrange now aswell.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The HD3870 brought HD2900XT level performance to a lower price point just like the HD6870 has brought HD5870 level performance to a lower price point too.
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It damn well should have done, 80nm 2900xt vs 55nm 3870, even then it was a horrible design, a perfectly scaled 2900xt from 80to 55nm should have been around 1/4 of the size, it wasn't 420mm2 vs 192mm2 for the same performance.

3870 vs 4870 is 192mm2 vs 256mm2 on the same process, yet doubled performance.

But thats where you hit problems, 2900xt took a long while, was designed for 65nm(which was late, the start of TSMC's problems really), and they spent probably a lot forcing it to 80nm and spent extra time making it as small as humanly possible. 3870 was a rush job, it was get it to 55nm as quick as possible, rip out a few key parts, scale it down, given another year they could have made it a lot smaller most likely. The team working on 4870 had a lot longer I believe and they really massively overhauled the transistor heavy wasteful parts of the core, hence double the speed in only 25% die size increase.

Meh, I find it all very interesting, very geeky but this is all ultra high end manufacturing, to a fairly decent degree understanding the process's and whats possible can give you a VERY good insight into what can be done on a given process, which is why we all knew we weren't getting some 600+ shader new Nvidia architecture coming.
 
Jibber55 said:
Which way are you jumping Raven?
Are you going to buy as soon as the 580 is released or wait for the 69XX benchmarks to make a more informed decision?
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Based on the fact he says will his high flow backplate thinger fit a 580.. I think he's already made his mind up ;)
 
All interesting, what I don't see is NVs response to the 470s market. Ok assuming the 580 is a natural successor to the 480 and they let the 480 die, they still have a 470 selling for low cost thats almost certainly about to be nailed by a cheaper, more efficient 69xx card from AMD imminently.

The biggest fastest single card stuff is all well and gives people the bragging rights, but there is a big gap from £190 - £340. Surely NV need something in that range, so a card performing similar to the 480 does now.

The big question is can the let the 470 fall a little more, say another £20 and drop the 480 down to mid 200s to fill the gap..

As Gibbo posted earlier this week the 470 is a massive seller, if it gets its arse handed to it by a new 69xx card, what room do Nvidia have to shuffle the pack?
 
RavenXXX2 said:
Well got my 480 up for sale, wonder if my EVGA backplate will fit the 580.:D
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surely as EVGA went to great expense to ship out the backplate they would sell the new ones (580) with backplate included this time?
so get rid of ur 480 "with back plate included" for more $$ imo and expect your 580 to come with one
 
Don't understand people upgrading to something thats only moderately faster, not like theres tons of uber demanding pc games coming very soon. Most of what we get these days are just console ports =/
 
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