This is where I will disagree, morally I believe killing an animal for food is wrong, when we have an abundance of alternatives.
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This is where I will disagree, morally I believe killing an animal for food is wrong, when we have an abundance of alternatives.
But that is just your opinion.
I could just as easily argue that morally it would be wrong to make all these many animals that we use for food and produce virtually extinct/exist in very small numbers...because that is the alternative.
For example, what is morally worse - that we have taken over the land of all these animals and because we have no use for them, will inevitably cause them to go virtually extinct or exist in tiny numbers compared to what they were before (or if humans didn't exist), or that we keep space for them, provide them with food/protection but then use their produce or end up killing them for food (a fate that many would have met with or without humans anyway).
It's a good discussion, definitely more than I expected from GD 
My approach is never to convince people they are wrong or my way of thinking is right, that's never a good idea. I simply present some ideas and information and let people do their own thinking. Obviously if someone says something stupid like "Lions eat animals, therefore industrial animal agriculture is justified" I will have a few words to say.
My journey to veganism was very gradual. I started to not enjoy eating meat, I was very conscious I was eating an animal that could have easily been a pet had society deemed them "pets". After a while I gravitated towards more plant based foods and started doing some reading (videos) on the subject. This video is what finally made me go full vegan.
My approach is never to convince people they are wrong or my way of thinking is right, that's never a good idea. I simply present some ideas and information and let people do their own thinking. Obviously if someone says something stupid like "Lions eat animals, therefore industrial animal agriculture is justified" I will have a few words to say.
My journey to veganism was very gradual. I started to not enjoy eating meat, I was very conscious I was eating an animal that could have easily been a pet had society deemed them "pets". After a while I gravitated towards more plant based foods and started doing some reading (videos) on the subject. This video is what finally made me go full vegan.
It's a good discussion, definitely more than I expected from GD
My approach is never to convince people they are wrong or my way of thinking is right, that's never a good idea. I simply present some ideas and information and let people do their own thinking. Obviously if someone says something stupid like "Lions eat animals, therefore industrial animal agriculture is justified" I will have a few words to say.
My journey to veganism was very gradual. I started to not enjoy eating meat, I was very conscious I was eating an animal that could have easily been a pet had society deemed them "pets". After a while I gravitated towards more plant based foods and started doing some reading (videos) on the subject. This video is what finally made me go full vegan.
I don't think vegans are "wrong"and if someone doesnt want to consume animal meat/produce then good for them. I just think its moral quandary with no correct answer.
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i mean sure we could all end up living on nutrient paste (not made from people), but is that really a goal we should be aiming for as a species?
The vast majority of farmed animals would never survive in the wild, they have been bred specifically for food and are not wild animals. This argument doesnt work for me.
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why is there always collective guilt? it';s the actions of a few who have became very wealthy that caused all of this crap.
lynch them and their billionaire families.
it's always the average person who gets the blame for everything, global warming, animals going extinct.... polar caps melting....
never the people whos families became extremely wealthy and joined the 0.1% spamming out co2 like it's going out of fashion.
then they expect the majority who did nothing to change their life ........ whilst they continue as normal
china hasnt got enough food to feed itself as it is. remove pigs which pork is probably there main diet then what ? i guess they would just become cannibals.
its actually mind boggling how they even raise enough pigs to feed china alone per day. if you interested just have a look. its unreal.
they eat 55 million tons of pork per year.
have half of the pig population. you simply cant just stop them having pigs.
its actually mind boggling how they even raise enough pigs to feed china alone per day. if you interested just have a look. its unreal.
they eat 55 million tons of pork per year.
have half of the pig population. you simply cant just stop them having pigs.
I can't imagine the majority of their calories come from pork. Presumably a vast amount of their land is taken up growing crops to feed the pigs, unless they import it.
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It's a good discussion, definitely more than I expected from GD
My approach is never to convince people they are wrong or my way of thinking is right, that's never a good idea. I simply present some ideas and information and let people do their own thinking. Obviously if someone says something stupid like "Lions eat animals, therefore industrial animal agriculture is justified" I will have a few words to say.
My journey to veganism was very gradual. I started to not enjoy eating meat, I was very conscious I was eating an animal that could have easily been a pet had society deemed them "pets". After a while I gravitated towards more plant based foods and started doing some reading (videos) on the subject. This video is what finally made me go full vegan.
Do vegans eat insects? (genuine question btw)
What's the difference between any type of intensive agriculture/aquaculture? they all blooter the natural planet for food production, an approach like @PlacidCasual would appear to me to be the most eco-friendly thing where you're only taking what you need and can have a diversity of food types all from a piece of land you can control/rotate/replenish as required, even industrial plant based agriculture does huge damage to the planet, so veganism really is just a less worse option rather than a good option
Probably like this country was until the middle of the last century. Pigs were fed swill, a mixture of crushed grains and water but a large proportion of their feed was food waste, peelings, spoiled fruit etc. Pigs will eat absolutely anything including humans.
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On this point I will never accept 'vegan' shoes.
Real leather or suede only.
If we are going to kill an animal to make shoes from, might as well eat it as well right?
Do all vegans make sure to not buy any animal products at all? None leather shoes are always a complete disappointment.
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On this point, pigs can serve as a great source of using up expired / waste food to make more food.
Except farming standards stopped that. I disagree with this.
and then ofcourse, if you don't use natural products for stuff, then the alternatives are often plastic based....which is damaging to the environment
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and then ofcourse, if you don't use natural products for stuff, then the alternatives are often plastic based....which is damaging to the environment
Oh and if it contains animal products it can be marketted as '100% all natural no chemicals maaaaan super duper hippe approved!'.
Reminds me of my vegetarian mum who constantly eats gelatine sweets even though shes been told over a thousand times that shes eating pig bones and cartilage.
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ergo, vegans hate the environmentand then ofcourse, if you don't use natural products for stuff, then the alternatives are often plastic based....which is damaging to the environment
I know the original video didn't cover the topic very well, but he's just put out a very good video about environmental impact and what it would mean it more people switched to vegan.
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There's nothing inherently wrong with rearing and eating millions of animals.
It's just that we naturally gravitate to the most destructive and cruel methods for doing so, because they are also the most profitable.