Guilt free Sausages?

[413x]

It interesting hearing you guys views from the 'meat farming is ok' side.
Some points are valid I agree. Some not so much.

I also grew up in farming so know what it's like first hand. Also, you have to remember our standards are good! So anything you see here is going to be far far worse abroad. Don't get me started on China and the far east. What goes On over there is vile. Absolutely vile.

I guess a lot of people justify it some how who like meat etc but have empathy. So it's guilt avoiding.

Everyone should have to see a slaughter house, and the conditions the animals go through. Maybe even push the button to kill the animal while looking at it. I bet that would cut meat consumption drastically.

I'm a hypocrite too. Still having dairy. However I Have eggs from my own hens though, only eggs I'll eat.

 

[Begbie]

Would only apply to fertilised eggs - I would think most laying hens are kept separate to roosters, so essentially the egg is fully infertile and just a store for all the nutrients required for the development of a foetus (that wouldn't be present in any you'd normally buy off the shelves).

But - I'm sure I've seen some horrible videos on the internet (or it might have been on Sky, on "an idiot abroad"), where he went to China and they were eating fertilised eggs with a baby chick in, nearly made me sick watching it.

Balut, I've eat one. It's not nice really.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

I still continue to enjoy my battered sausage with my special and chips plus curry sauce.

Supermarket ones dont taste half as good as chippy sausages, as they tend to be either pork or beef rather than both.

I can understand eating meats that taste nice, but have no clue why humans resort to balut / squid / anything that wriggles.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

you have no real use in society other than as a consumer.

I thought pigs could find truffles?

So can dogs and without eating or damaging them (akin to golden retrievers used for duck hunting).

Pigs try to eat the truffles they find by default.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

The mental gymnastics people will go to justify eating meat

Requiring nutrition to not die is bad?

Tell about your glorious plans to promote veganism to all the people dying from starvation.

Veganism is literally white privilege.

 

[Hagar]

Everyone should have to see a slaughter house

When I was a kid on my grandfather's farm (more than 50 years ago), just across the road was the village butchers and he slaughtered cattle in a shed behind the butchers shop, I did witness it on two occasions, the mess and the gore. It was very quick, the beast died and was processed into meat for the shop. It is not a profession I ever considered however it is necessary that it is carried out professionally and properly. I dispute that halal or kosher processes are nearly as good.

 

[LiE]

Requiring nutrition to not die is bad?

Totally, have you see the massive pile of dead vegans piled up in the streets. I'm not long for this world as I haven't eaten any meat in 8 months.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

All animals want to be free of pain and discomfort, to inflict that upon them is cruel. They are born so very innocent, into a strange world where they are seen as livestock, not individual animals with their own little personalities.

It makes no sense to justify animal agriculture by saying "well a deer is killed by a wolf in the wild tho".

So killing insects that would destroy the crops you eat is cruelty?

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Totally, have you see the massive pile of dead vegans piled up in the streets. I'm not long for this world as I haven't eaten any meat in 8 months.

Loads of people dying in the third world from starvation.

Again, veganism is a white privilege.

 

[200sols]

I also grew up in farming so know what it's like first hand. Also, you have to remember our standards are good! So anything you see here is going to be far far worse abroad. Don't get me started on China and the far east. What goes On over there is vile. Absolutely vile.

So just eat local meat? It is easy to find local meat producers who care about their animals, you will pay a lot more but it is available.

Loads of people dying in the third world from starvation.

Again, veganism is a white privilege.

You sound unhinged, white privilege really...............

 

[LiE]

Loads of people dying in the third world from starvation.

So your argument for eating meat in the UK is that people in 3rd world countries are dying of starvation? I'm out.

 

[413x]

So just eat local meat? It is easy to find local meat producers who care about their animals, you will pay a lot more but it is available.

You sound unhinged, white privilege really...............

It is available. But not for the masses. Not when a chicken can be a few pounds. Basically cost of a pint.

It's not viable For everyone.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Do Hindus and Buddhists come across as ultra smug for trying to be veg or vegan?

Because Chicken / Meat curry totally isn't consumed by most Hindus and Buddhists.

India and China literally have the worst standards for when it comes to meat consumption and animal welfare.

 

[200sols]

It is available. But not for the masses. Not when a chicken can be a few pounds. Basically cost of a pint.

It's not viable For everyone.

Actually it is, just eat less meat. You don't need it every day.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

So just eat local meat? It is easy to find local meat producers who care about their animals, you will pay a lot more but it is available.



You sound unhinged, white privilege really...............

Feel free to demonstrate how much the non western world cares for veganism. Wish I could still find all the videos of native Americans still living by their traditions explaining it better than me or anyone here could.

Most non white cultures and people eat meat as part of their traditions being based around 'living off the land' and those that aren't brainwashed by western veganism still continue to do so, even after food is available in abundance.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

So your argument for eating meat in the UK is that people in 3rd world countries are dying of starvation? I'm out.

So your argument is that if everyone in the UK stops eating meat, this will end animal cruelty globally?

Feel free to tell me all about how the UK plastic straw ban has ended pollution in China.

Living in your ivory towers and all that.

 

[200sols]

Feel free to demonstrate how much the non western world cares for veganism. Wish I could still find all the videos of native Americans still living by their traditions explaining it better than me or anyone here could.

Most non white cultures and people eat meat as part of their traditions being based around 'living off the land' and those that aren't brainwashed by western veganism still continue to do so, even after food is available in abundance.

You seem to be conflating two different things and ending up making zero sense at all.

 

[Sankari]

I guess eggs are the worst, eating someones unborn child on toast.

The eggs you get in the supermarket aren't fertilised, so we're not eating anyone's unborn child on toast. Good grief, the ignorance in this thread is astonishing.

My father in law is a farmer

So you should know better.

Do you think we should base our morality on wild animals?

No, I'm simply pointing out that animals eating animals is part of nature, and complaining about it when humans do it but not when other animals do it is utterly absurd.

Wild animals also kill and eat each other out of necessity, they don't have a supermarket with an abundance of plant based options just as easy to cook and eat.

We also kill other animals out of necessity, for the same reason lions do: they're our food. And again, our species would not have survived to this point if we hadn't done so.

Veganism is a fad diet for privileged Westerners who don't either don't realise or refuse to admit that the omnivorous agricultural industry they hate so much is actually responsible for the food security that allows them to indulge their virtue signalling.

 

[2004typer]

Balut, I've eat one. It's not nice really.

Grim!

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

You seem to be conflating two different things and ending up making zero sense at all.

Everyone in the UK going vegan / green / anything as such does nothing to affect these issues on a global scale.

The morality and rationale behind these ideas either need to apply to everyone globally or it doesn't matter at all.

How do you propose the idea of everyone in the UK becoming vegan will work while everyday more and more farmland is converted into housing? Lets even imagine eliminating trade and being 100% self reliant on food, can the UK / entire world be fed entirely from locally produced plant based sources only?

If I eat meat today, that means more vegetables for someone else. There is the whole ecosystem and sustenance of the whole food chain to consider - all humans going vegan is completely unsustainable.