Guilt free Sausages?

adam cool dude said:
I always think back to the film Babe. A pig has basically no real use in society but for its meat. That's thousands of years of evolution that has brought that. If everyone were to stop eating pork tomorrow they will go extinct or be kept in zoos. They will not be roaming about in fields like the ********** will want to believe.

They are too large for 99% of households to keep as pets and unlike chickens, cows, goats, sheep etc offer absolutely nothing but their meat.
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You not a fan of pig milk?
 
gailjon said:
What? Now we don't don't just kill and then eat them, we now do a Hannibal Lector and anesthetise them to cut bits off them to then grow in vats.
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On paper it sounds messed up but if the little piggy is caused no distress from the procedure he gets to live a happy little piggy life on a no slaughter farm between his trips to getting bits of him cut off then surely it's better than just flat out slaughtering them all ?
 
adam cool dude said:
I always think back to the film Babe. A pig has basically no real use in society but for its meat. That's thousands of years of evolution that has brought that. If everyone were to stop eating pork tomorrow they will go extinct or be kept in zoos. They will not be roaming about in fields like the ********** will want to believe.

They are too large for 99% of households to keep as pets and unlike chickens, cows, goats, sheep etc offer absolutely nothing but their meat.
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Im not sure what the profanity is, but people who follow a vegan or plant based diet don’t believe that the cows and pigs should be kept in the wild. They’ll die out, there will be no purpose for them anymore. Much like how we don’t send kids up chimneys, society evolves.
It’ll be much better for everyone if we invested in less damaging proteins, and stopped force breeding animals to kill.

The idea that plant based diets are just as bad as meat based because field mice get caught up in ploughs is just stupid. Vegan and plant based diets are primarily about reducing harm to animals where possible. Of course some animals may come to harm, and that’s not good, but the levels of harm done to sentient animals is so much lower than the harm caused by killing them for meat.

It’s weird, all the meat eaters claim the vegan brigade don’t shut up about it yet everyone in here is bemoaning and belittling vegan arguments.

Eat less meat, eat more plants, eat more varied foods, be healthy, save the planet, save some money. What’s not to love?
 
Ahleckz said:
Im not sure what the profanity is, but people who follow a vegan or plant based diet don’t believe that the cows and pigs should be kept in the wild. They’ll die out, there will be no purpose for them anymore. Much like how we don’t send kids up chimneys, society evolves.
It’ll be much better for everyone if we invested in less damaging proteins, and stopped force breeding animals to kill.

The idea that plant based diets are just as bad as meat based because field mice get caught up in ploughs is just stupid. Vegan and plant based diets are primarily about reducing harm to animals where possible. Of course some animals may come to harm, and that’s not good, but the levels of harm done to sentient animals is so much lower than the harm caused by killing them for meat.

It’s weird, all the meat eaters claim the vegan brigade don’t shut up about it yet everyone in here is bemoaning and belittling vegan arguments.

Eat less meat, eat more plants, eat more varied foods, be healthy, save the planet, save some money. What’s not to love?
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Human evolution over the last thousands of years has been of a meat diet. You cannot change that over night.

The profanity had nothing to do with Veggies anyway and wasn't even a profanity. It is a word to describe snow when it falls.
 
Jesus Christ please just push the big red button and end it all, either that or beam me up one of the two.

This is exactly the kind of weirdness that started happening towards the end of the Roman Empire.
 
having rosemary and onion vegan sausages tonight as it happens (in a wrap with roasted peppers/mushrooms) ,its something they do well tbh ,its not a struggle anymore ,vegan chocolate ice ream and raspberrys to follow ,
as for the cultivated sausages i would rather chew my right arm off (would this void my veganism ?)
 
Efour said:
I've honestly read this 6 times and yes.... That's what was written. Lol
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No.

You were saying stopping eating meat would be unethical because of the destruction of livestock populations. My point was that eating meat causes those same deaths repeatedly, year after year after year. Stopping consuming animal products just means not replacing livestock 1:1 as demand drops.
 
adam cool dude said:
I always think back to the film Babe. A pig has basically no real use in society but for its meat. That's thousands of years of evolution that has brought that. If everyone were to stop eating pork tomorrow they will go extinct or be kept in zoos. They will not be roaming about in fields like the ********** will want to believe.

They are too large for 99% of households to keep as pets and unlike chickens, cows, goats, sheep etc offer absolutely nothing but their meat.
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you have no real use in society other than as a consumer.

I thought pigs could find truffles?
 
Name said:
Jesus Christ please just push the big red button and end it all, either that or beam me up one of the two.

This is exactly the kind of weirdness that started happening towards the end of the Roman Empire.
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It's okay in a few generations time scientists will investigate why large proportions of the population have iron deficiencies and lead it back to the totally silly 21st century.
 
cheesyboy said:
No.

You were saying stopping eating meat would be unethical because of the destruction of livestock populations. My point was that eating meat causes those same deaths repeatedly, year after year after year. Stopping consuming animal products just means not replacing livestock 1:1 as demand drops.
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Its weird how you interpreted it that way but whatever.
Animals cant suffer if they don't exist. They wont exist if the world goes vegan. That's it end of story. yes..
 
cheesyboy said:
Nonsense. You just won't need to farm and then kill millions over and over and over.
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You just agreed with him! You can’t really say what he claimed was nonsense and the point out the same underlying fact FFS :D

If it wasn’t for farming these animals wouldn’t exist in the first place.
 
dowie said:
You just agreed with him! You can’t really say what he claimed was nonsense and the point out the same underlying fact FFS :D

If it wasn’t for farming these animals wouldn’t exist in the first place.
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This.

It poses the question of what is better. No life at all, or a life which ultimately leads to slaughter for meat.

Obviously treating animals badly, leading to psychological and physical pain is not good. But as long as good animal welfare standards are kept to, i fail to see the problem. As far as our science has discovered, farm animals have no concept of what they are alive for and what their purpose is (ie that they are bred for meat), and when i'm on a walk through the countryside, most of the cows, sheep and pigs i see look pretty damn content/calm.

So the question has to be asked...won't ending meat farming mean the end of millions of potential animal lifes? Death is a consequence of life, so saying that eating meat causes deaths is a rather strange argument. The whole natural food chain has shown that the destiny of most animals is that they end up as food for a different one.
 
I’d be more than happy for meat to be more expensive, rarer and require super high ethical standards. We didn’t used to eat meat every day. Allow farmed animals to have a good life, room to roam etc.. and have super high standards for slaughtering.

Cutting down red meat, processed meat and sugar consumption, increasing the amount of veg people eat would be great overall for society.
 
dowie said:
I’d be more than happy for meat to be more expensive, rarer and require super high ethical standards. We didn’t used to eat meat every day.

Cutting down red meat, processed meat and sugar consumption, increasing the amount of veg people eat would be great overall for society.
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I would probably agree with that. I'd be happy to pay more for a more guaranteed decent standard of animal welfare etc.

Beyond how they are kept/looked after, i fail to see the ethical problem with farming animals for meat.
 
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