Guilt free Sausages?

This.

It poses the question of what is better. No life at all, or a life which ultimately leads to slaughter for meat.

Obviously treating animals badly, leading to psychological and physical pain is not good. But as long as good animal welfare standards are kept to, i fail to see the problem. As far as our science has discovered, farm animals have no concept of what they are alive for and what their purpose is (ie that they are bred for meat), and when i'm on a walk through the countryside, most of the cows, sheep and pigs i see look pretty damn content/calm.

So the question has to be asked...won't ending meat farming mean the end of millions of potential animal lifes? Death is a consequence of life, so saying that eating meat causes deaths is a rather strange argument. The whole natural food chain has shown that the destiny of most animals is that they end up as food for a different one.

You can’t give an animal a nice life and then murder it. It’s a logical fallacy.

Ending meat farming will mean those millions of animals won’t exist so there’s nothing to kill. That’s better.
 
Too drunk to really understand the question, but I raised 4 porkers last year from 8 weeks to about 16 before sending them to slaughter.

Biggest mistake was putting them right next to the garden and getting friendly. They are like dogs they would run up and roll over for a belly rub every morning. So there was a bit of gilt (pun intended)
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I think I had 1500 sausages and god knows how many joints. Literally a pickup bed full of meat.
 
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Pork farming is truly horrific.
We should have more respect for these very intelligent animals.
 
You can’t give an animal a nice life and then murder it. It’s a logical fallacy.

Why? those things are mostly mutually exclusive tbh... the animal can be treated well during it's life, essentially have a much better life and be much better cared for than it could ever expect in the wild (and tbh... farm animals have evolved a fair bit from anything "wild" anyway) and then be killed as quickly and as ethically as possible at the end.

Ending meat farming will mean those millions of animals won’t exist so there’s nothing to kill. That’s better.

That's subjective.
 
I have no intention of giving up meat any time soon - but if there was a decent synthetic alternative I'd swap in an instance.
 
I always think back to the film Babe. A pig has basically no real use in society but for its meat. That's thousands of years of evolution that has brought that. If everyone were to stop eating pork tomorrow they will go extinct or be kept in zoos. They will not be roaming about in fields like the ********** will want to believe.

They are too large for 99% of households to keep as pets and unlike chickens, cows, goats, sheep etc offer absolutely nothing but their meat.

Have you seen Okja ?
 
This exactly. Farming animals is currently under the microscope of modern scrutiny but the ultimate outcome is billions of animals will simply cease to exist if humanity decides it's unethical.

Animal cruelty solved by eradicating the animal from existing ... Win I guess.
Then we will move onto humans.....

Are you really this dumb or do you not understand that no longer breeding animals for food doesn't mean no more animals?

For example we don't eat lions or giraffes. Yet they are still not extinct. Can you please explain your logic?
 
It's okay in a few generations time scientists will investigate why large proportions of the population have iron deficiencies and lead it back to the totally silly 21st century.

Not just iron either.

Are you really this dumb or do you not understand that no longer breeding animals for food doesn't mean no more animals?

For example we don't eat lions or giraffes. Yet they are still not extinct. Can you please explain your logic?

The animals we breed for meat have been bred to be this way for 1000s of years, they are not wild animals. If we stopped farming them they will vanish forever. They aren't just going to get released in to the wild lol
 
Are you really this dumb or do you not understand that no longer breeding animals for food doesn't mean no more animals?

For example we don't eat lions or giraffes. Yet they are still not extinct. Can you please explain your logic?

Are you seriously comparing the wild animals living in the plains of Africa to farm animals in England?

They wouldn't exist in this country in any meaningful numbers if people didn't eat meat/the products of these animals. The land would almost certainly be used for something else (solar farms/agriculture).
 
Are you seriously comparing the wild animals living in the plains of Africa to farm animals in England?

They wouldn't exist in this country in any meaningful numbers if people didn't eat meat/the products of these animals. The land would almost certainly be used for something else (solar farms/agriculture).

And even more gardenless shoebox houses, destroying more countryside.
 
Are you really this dumb or do you not understand that no longer breeding animals for food doesn't mean no more animals?

For example we don't eat lions or giraffes. Yet they are still not extinct. Can you please explain your logic?

Lions and Giraffes are still here due to natural selection and even that is being threatened. Pigs would more than likely get killed off. They are not like Boars which can defend themselves. It would need human intervention like Pandas to save them.
 
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