Guilt free Sausages?
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You get some who don't care and understand. You'll never change these.
You get all Levels of care/guilt.. This is your target. Often if someone does care you can get them on the path of reduce consumption.
The people who care can be anything from..
You get some who care a little but not enough to change
You get some who care but ignore or escape the moral issue.
You get those who Care enough to make small initial changes and potentially
And loads more.
What you need is patient vegan types to educate but not push. Often if a vegan person couples up with a non vegan the other person can slide into fit.
You get positive news stories that present facts (often images of cruelty) although a guilt trip. That's fair game.
What isn't productive is militant veganism.
For the record I've always loved animals. And don't eat meat from an ethical point. Dropping animals in order of my care for that animal.
Guilt and empathy have led me to this position. Helped very much by meat subs.
I'm not vegan I'm ashamed to say. Struggle to give up cheese.
My partner is full vegan and does it more from an environmental point. But also animal welfare.
Guilt and empathy have led me to this position. Helped very much by meat subs.
I'm not vegan I'm ashamed to say. Struggle to give up cheese.
My partner is full vegan and does it more from an environmental point. But also animal welfare.
I respect their viewpoint, but like you say i find it irksome that they think they have some moral high ground/they are 100% right.
The entire concept is actually quite a complex philosophical/moral question without a defined right or wrong answer.
So, as you say they should do them, and let those that want to eat meat do us.
I don't think that should make it okay. Maybe that's just me though.
Soldato
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Or any form of agriculture, it is at it's core a man made process developed to provide food, we aren't all hunting or gathering because we've figured out how to grow plants and animals on massive scale for our own consumption
That's where and why it becomes philosophical. Whether it is 'ok' is a very personal thing, driven and influenced by your background, culture and beliefs. The animal isn't conscious of this, so it's down to how we feel about the situation.
There is no 'right' answer.
Personally, I recognise the horrors, argue with people who refuse to acknowledge them, but eat meat anyway because I can live with it. You only need excuses if you feel guilty.
The environmental impact is more of a pull for me cutting down on meat.
I try and be full vegan but had some wine a while back not cheap either and had egg in (really, why? ) only realised when I chucked bottle , on the whole I stick to it.
If anyone can recommend a vegan cheese I'm all ears because it's the only thing I miss, had the coconut one but didn't rate it.
The majority of red wine isn't vegan. Majestic, for example, sell over 700 red wines and 11 of them are vegan.
If your against cruelty to children and you see cruelty it's hard to stay silent, if your against...............
Yeah fish in there sometimes, filtering or something
Vegan cheese, really? Why try and imitate animal products all the time when they will always be inferior?
Vegan's still like the taste of meat/diary, they just recognise that taste isn't more important than the life of an animal.
Something I really don't get.
Vegan that still wants the flavours of meat. Just seems strange.
Why is that strange? If you're giving up meat for moral, not taste reasons, why would it be strange that you want to substitute it?
This is what i also used to think.
However i have started to cut down my meat due to the effect it has on the environment, not because i dont like the taste of it. I love the taste of meat, therefore "mock meat" products are perfect for me.
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I really like the meat free sausages.
Humans are gonna human though at the end of the day. There is no limit to the depths we'll sink to. This planet is ours, and we'll do whatever the hell we want.
Humans are gonna human though at the end of the day. There is no limit to the depths we'll sink to. This planet is ours, and we'll do whatever the hell we want.
I hate to do this, but the amount of uneducated, illogical, and plain wrong comments in this thread is gob-smacking. It's like none of you ever engaged your brains or did any modicum of research before typing your nonsense and providing your incorrect opinions as accurate or relevant.
Yes, billions of animals will cease to exist over a few generations of decreasing breeding rates as the industry came to a close. But these billions of animals are a man-made phenomenon and wouldn't ever have existed in the natural world without the intervention of intense breeding by humans. Billions of animals will cease to be bred each year, thus saving them from a life destined for slaughter. Not forgetting that almost every example of animal we farm for food is an echo of a distant relative, bred far beyond its ability to survive in the wild. They are selectively bred over thousands of years just as our dogs and cats were. Yet I don't see anybody arguing to put all the dashhounds back into the plains of Africa or the freezing Artic circle where they 'came from'.
Yes, no matter what you eat, other organisms will likely have suffered at the expense of the food on your plate. But accidentally killing a variety of insects and small mammals as part of the process isn't a justification for actively slaughtering billions of animals each year. Countless more insects and small mammals (to name a few) are accidentally killed throughout the entire agricultural industry that exists to provide animals their feed. We could but both out simultaneously.
There is so much disinformation on subjects like this it's painful, and as a society we're engrained to believe what wider society, corporations and government lobbyists tell us (meat is great...because it makes people lots of money).