Guru3D - Metro Exodus PC Performance Review

DarrenM343 · 14 Feb 2019 at 19:48

Nasher said:
Lol, no. Nothing will fix the DLSS blur because it's not a bug, it's just how it is.

I think we have to see on this, blurrily

, and see if it does improve as the AI (new hire graduates desperately trying to improve it

) improves things. No seriously, it will be interesting to see if it improves as the AI becomes trained and NV update the software as they have said will happen.

When's Metro out anyway? I thought it was today?

Nasher · 14 Feb 2019 at 19:58

DLSS is just a lower res image up-scaled to bodge more FPS, it's as good as it's going to get. When you do that the image goes blurry. Consoles have been doing it forever.

The whole "AI learning" blahblah is the man in the terminator jacket talking rubbish.

LoadsaMoney · 14 Feb 2019 at 20:09

DarrenM343 said:
I think we have to see on this, blurrily , and see if it does improve as the AI (new hire graduates desperately trying to improve it ) improves things. No seriously, it will be interesting to see if it improves as the AI becomes trained and NV update the software as they have said will happen.

When's Metro out anyway? I thought it was today?

Tomorrow, unlocks 5am

Zoroaster · 14 Feb 2019 at 20:26

Nasher said:
DLSS is just a lower res image up-scaled to bodge more FPS, it's as good as it's going to get. When you do that the image goes blurry. Consoles have been doing it forever.

The whole "AI learning" blahblah is the man in the terminator jacket talking rubbish.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ai...an-do-it-yourself.88272/page-22#post-17214057

AthlonXP1800 · 15 Feb 2019 at 00:10

Shaz12 said:
Seems a patch was released for Metro an hour ago. Does it fix the DLSS blur?

Found the patch note:

PC Specific Updates:

Tuned HDR saturation

RTX Improvements / Bug Fixing

Added DLSS Support

Additional HUD removal options (coming soon to console) when playing in Ranger Mode

Added Motion Blur options (coming soon to console)

Additional PC Fixes Since Review Code Was Sent:

Fixed Locking of player input after scene of rescuing Yermak

Removed v-sync option from benchmark launcher

Tuning and fixes for Atmos audio system

Fixed memory corruption in DX12

Fixed crash on launching game on old AMD CPUs

Fixed crash after changing of resolution and Shading Rate to 4k/4x on Video cards with 2Gb and less

Fixed blurred UI when DLSS is enabled

Fixed visual artifacts for RTX high mode

Fixed input lock in when patching gas mask during combat

Fixed forcing to V-Sync on after alt-tabbing the game running at maximal available resolution for the monitor

Fixed crash when pressing ALT + Tab during start videos

Fixed forcing of V-SYNC mode if the game resolution is different than the desktop

DLSS can be applied in the Benchmark

Tuned DLSS sharpness to improve image quality

Updated learned data for DLSS to improve image quality with DLSS on

https://www.metrothegame.com/news/patch-notes-summary/

We shall find out later to see if DLSS blur will be fix possible through DLSS sharpness or new DLSS software update.

JediFragger · 15 Feb 2019 at 00:51

AthlonXP1800 said:
We shall find out later to see if DLSS blur will be fix possible through DLSS sharpness or new DLSS software update.

Hopefully so, nVidia have some salvaging to do...

Arcane · 15 Feb 2019 at 10:33

No SLI or Crossfire support? Shame as they're usually one of the titles they scaled well.

Silent_Scone · 15 Feb 2019 at 10:58

Nasher said:
DLSS is just a lower res image up-scaled to bodge more FPS

Misinformation at its finest.

Nasher · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:02

Silent_Scone said:
Misinformation at its finest.

Well, it is lol

They can add all the sharpening effects they like, but it will never look as good as native res. Then theres the fact that simply using a lower resolution manually still gives a clearer image and runs better.

Stanners · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:12

Nasher said:
Well, it is lol

They can add all the sharpening effects they like, but it will never look as good as native res. Then theres the fact that simply using a lower resolution manually still gives a clearer image and runs better.

You are making a lot of claims recently, do you have anything to back this up or are you just trolling?

shankly1985 · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:16

Silent_Scone said:
Misinformation at its finest.

He isn't wrong tbh
The tech takes the image downscale it giving you the performance and then tries to recreate the image to ideally give you a 4k image.

Sadly at this moment it fails to give you the image quality. Performance is there "sort of" but so is render resolution.

Nasher · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:18

Stanners said:
You are making a lot of claims recently, do you have anything to back this up or are you just trolling?

Err because that is how it works and it's very clearly dedegrading the image quality?

It's a very long winded way of turning down the render scale by about 25% (but actually with worse results). If Nvidia told their fanboys they needed to do that to run RTX smoothly, even more toys would be out of the pram than are already.

AMB73 · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:21

To be honest, with the disappointing implementation of DLSS into BF5 this week i am slightly reluctant to chuck another 40 or 50 quid into another game that suffers with the same blur at 4K.

If the frame rate at 4K with RTX on and DLSS off is acceptable then i will happily shell out but i have a feeling this isn't going to be the case.

I will reluctantly play at 1440 but on my 4K monitor it just looks washed out, pretty much like 4K with DLSS on to be honest. Not sure which is worse......

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:22

DLSS is upscaling but using machine learning to generate a game specific algorithm to do the upscaling with instead of a generic one.

Stanners · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:27

Nasher said:
Err because that is how it works and it's very clearly dedegrading the image quality?

In its current state it may not look the best. But you are massively underplaying how DLSS works with such statements you have previously used in this thread. Kitguru has quite a good short article on it. Unless you want to keep saying it is a lower resolution image up scaled without the rest of what happens.

Nasher · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:28

Stanners said:
In its current state it may not look the best. But you are massively underplaying how DLSS works with such statements you have previously used in this thread. Kitguru has quite a good short article on it. Unless you want to keep saying it is a lower resolution image up scaled without the rest of what happens.

Ok they throw in some anti-aliasing with the up-scaled image. Which only adds to the blurryness.

Stanners · 15 Feb 2019 at 11:30

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
DLSS is upscaling but using machine learning to generate a game specific algorithm to do the upscaling with instead of a generic one.

Nicely put Cat

Silent_Scone · 15 Feb 2019 at 12:04

Nasher said:
Well, it is lol

They can add all the sharpening effects they like, but it will never look as good as native res. Then theres the fact that simply using a lower resolution manually still gives a clearer image and runs better.

Nasher said:
Ok they throw in some anti-aliasing with the up-scaled image. Which only adds to the blurryness.

That isn't what is happening at all, it's inferring the image from reference. There's no temporal filter added. If you're going to boycott something at least do some groundwork first.

That isn't to say I'm impressed with the current implementation in BFV, it simply doesn't work very well.

shankly1985 · 15 Feb 2019 at 12:28

@LoadsaMoney

EastCoastHandle · 15 Feb 2019 at 14:42

LOL, just noticed the post above me.