Haggling !!
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Errrr...... Dunno !!
I do know its been serviced in March though.
Is that cambelt thingy common knowledge ??
Check the service book mate, get proof its been done. Is is a 172 Cup or Full fat?
The Aux belt should be changed at 36,000 or 3 years (cost £330 at Birchdown or ~ £400-500 at dealers if you've got a full fat with air con (much cheapr is Cup as it has no air con in 99% of cases which means its much easier to change) ( this is with tensiors also changed which fail and can take out cambelt)
Then 5years /72,000 miles cam belt needs to be changed (along with a new Aux belt but this needs to be removed anyway to changed cam belt)
If you have already paid/signed and it hasnt had the cambelt change i recommed Birchdown Specialist as they will do a better job than renault dealer at a fraction of the cost.
I was quoted something like £550 or £650 for 36,000 service (including Aux belt and tensioners) at Renualt. So phoned birchdown and they did it for £330 using Renault parts.
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Errrr...... Dunno !!
I do know its been serviced in March though.
Is that cambelt thingy common knowledge ??
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Probably something you should have checked eh? Asking if it's had the cambelt service is what you should do for any car over 60k miles.
It should have been done though, if it was serviced in March.
Apparently the service book doesn't say anything specific about a cambelt. Just that it was serviced in March.
So on the one hand, its bad that I don't know for sure, but on the other, it HAS had a recent service. (and its MOT is until March 2009)
I guess its swings and roundabouts when buying 2nd hand
So on the one hand, its bad that I don't know for sure, but on the other, it HAS had a recent service. (and its MOT is until March 2009)
I guess its swings and roundabouts when buying 2nd hand
Apparently the service book doesn't say anything specific about a cambelt. Just that it was serviced in March.
So on the one hand, its bad that I don't know for sure, but on the other, it HAS had a recent service. (and its MOT is until March 2009)
I guess its swings and roundabouts when buying 2nd hand
Check it though mate, Cambelt or Aux belt goes and your looking at ~ £2k+ bill for a search or a 2nd hand Clio Sport engine.
By the way, belt changes are not listed with the normal service stamps near the front of the book. They are further back (last 1/4 of the book) Well on my 2005 182 it is anyway. (Page 17)
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[TW]Fox;12141310 said:I closed my eyes and hit random buttons on my keyboard. Works pretty well!
What do you think the deal is worth then? Let me guess you value his car at 23p?
I just think it's a bit naive assuming all cars are worth guide price.
And theres not many traders out there who would settle on selling cars to make a mere £500.
I wish all cars were worth book price, it would make the people who I'm trying to deal - who are trying to PX an 07 X5, and the person with a 54 330ci much happier!
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I think you forget I spent 5 years selling new and used Fiats aswell as pretty much used cars from nearly every manufacturer out there, and I've a few friends who are traders.
I just find it funny that you can be so confident in saying
I take it you know this particular trader and he's told you how much he paid for this car, how much he has spent on it, how much he's over allowed for this other clio, exactly how much it will stand him etc?
Because if not, I think you're just looking making the figures up so it looks like you know what you're talking about.
Theres no 100% way to be sure unless you get it done yourself. Thats said with any car.
The only next best way is to check service book/receipts and phone the place where it was done to check.
If there is absouletly no proof, i would not be able to risk a 2k bill for the cost of £500
If you go on cliosport forums, there are a few people of have had cambelt failures, so its a good idea to keep ontop of it.
Anyway i hope i aint putting you off it, as it probably has been changed and your worrying for no reason, absoultely great choice of car for its area, you wont get better for your cash.
Handling is sublime, and thats comming from a 205 gti driver/enthusiast.
The only next best way is to check service book/receipts and phone the place where it was done to check.
If there is absouletly no proof, i would not be able to risk a 2k bill for the cost of £500
If you go on cliosport forums, there are a few people of have had cambelt failures, so its a good idea to keep ontop of it.
Anyway i hope i aint putting you off it, as it probably has been changed and your worrying for no reason, absoultely great choice of car for its area, you wont get better for your cash.
Handling is sublime, and thats comming from a 205 gti driver/enthusiast.
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Check the service book for history and make sure it has a consistent service record and done according to it's interval, if you doubt the validity of the service history ring the dealer that's done the work to verify.
However on something like a 03 Clio it's not the prime car that people buy, clock and falsify service history with.
So why not offer this guy some practical advice on how good his deal is then rather than just rubbishing my opinion? I mean honestly saying nobody would sell cars for a 500 quid profit? Get real, how much profit do you think there is in every car up for £795 down Arthur Daleys used lot for example?
It's a real shame I cannot offer the forum the benefit of years selling crap Italian cars like yourself, but unfortunately that doesn't remove my right to an opinion.
I'm not entirely sure I give a **** what you think, if the OP feels my input is useful great, if he doesn't he's more than entitled to ignore it.
Either do better yourself or quite frankly, shut it
The forum can make up its own mind how much they trust the word of a used car salesman anyway - it's not exactly a profession known for its accuracy.
Don't worry though if somebody comes on asking about how to spend £300 on rubbish lifetime polish or how to fap £500 away on GAP insurance I'll be sure to point them your way
Maybe you could quote loads of finance figures at them using a flat percentage rate instead of APR as well, cos remember used car salesmen know best!
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[TW]Fox;12141452 said:Don't worry though if somebody comes on asking about how to spend £300 on rubbish lifetime polish or how to fap £500 away on GAP insurance I'll be sure to point them your way
My dad got conned that way, he got quoted the finance at the flat rate of 5 %. My dad naively assumed that they'd be bound by law to quote him the APR when he asked for it, and had it in writing
Unfortunately after getting home it said 5 %, but didnt say 5% what. They'd quoted him the flat rate and not the APR. The APR worked out about 7.9 % or something. So not abysmal but not as good a deal as it looked.
Most car salesman are professional conmen unfortunately.
Don't be daft they know better than all of us, just like the guy in 'insert high street electrical shop here' knows more than everyone else about TV's.
[TW]Fox;12141452 said:So why not offer this guy some practical advice on how good his deal is then rather than just rubbishing my opinion?
I'm not entirely sure I give a **** what you think, if the OP feels my input is useful great, if he doesn't he's more than entitled to ignore it.
Either do better yourself or quite frankly, shut it
I'm absolutely certain the OP isn't an idiot, and he would have done his research finding decent cars in his price range and had various part exchange prices against similar examples.
After all that I'm sure he found a deal which he is happy with, well he must have been as he has gone as far as to commit to the deal.
I'm pleased to hear that you don't give a "****" about what I think, because you'll probably understand that this is exactly how I feel about what you think and post.
I got this done too by a salesman (on my clio sport as it happend)
Exact same figures, but it was on 8.5k over 5 year so made hardly any difference. I did notice it before i signed, but the 7.9% was still the best rate at the time.
to be fair to Fox
So far your sole contribution to this thread is to just **** on fox. If you're in possession of such amazing inside knowledge so as to know if fox's guess is accurate or note, how about helping the OP ?
I disklike fox's attitude sometimes, but i dont make it my mission to derail the thread having a go at him.
In which case - great - he's going to get a good deal he's happy with. On the offchance he hasn't, the rest of us giving a bit of advice can't hurt him either.
Come on - help him out - use your expert skills to appraise this deal for him. Surely you must have more for him than just 'Check the service book'? You didn't only pop in here to have a go at me, right? After all, you don't care what I think, do you?
He's not comitted to the deal if he's asking how to haggle, has he?
Don't worry, that was never in any doubt.