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Glaucus said:
That's cherry picking.
Why the best 7?
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I know its cherry picking, that's my point.

I don't think just ignoring the races Schumacher didn't finish is 'sensible' though? What if Nico had had howlers yet still finished at all the races Schumacher finished, yet won all the races that Schumacher didn't? Would that be fair to exclude all Nico's good results because those races were bad for Schumacher?

Likewise if I selected all Nico's good results and Schumacher hadn't finished half of those races, would that be fair?

What I'm saying is you can't just pick one stat and go "this proves Schumacher is better than Nico", as its just not that simple.

Saying that Schumacher is leading Nico in results 6:1 is as misleading as saying Nico is leading Schumacher 7:6. Both are just isolated stats that don't tell the full picture.
 
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Mr Men said:
Skeeter trying too hard to put MS down, and losing sight of the fact he has been performing better than Nico.
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because hes blinded by hatred...

how am i cherry picking? if it wasnt for the mechanical failures a pattern just as clear as the races where both drivers finish would be spread across every race.....

its logic ffs.....

i never said nico is leaving either i said if either or them were forced out of the team it makes no sense to be michael because
A, he attracted half the sponsors on the car if not more (remember how barren brawn was?)
B, hes marketing gold for sponsors
C, hes outperforming nico IMO for the last 1 and a half seasons.
D, hes improving where as nico seems to be standing still

given a reliable championship contender i know where the sensible money would be.
 
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Personally, I think MS would relish the challenge of going toe to toe with one of the top three (FA, SV and LH) in the same car.
 
Its not logic, its speculation.

And how am I blinded by hatred? I'm criticising the analysis process, not the results. The same point applies to any isolated stat, it just happens that this one is about Schumacher and Nico. Of course when Schumacher has finished this year he's done better than Nico, that's obvious. What I'm saying is that's not the full picture. Your stat isn't wrong.
 
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Skeeter said:
I know its cherry picking, that's my point.

I don't think just ignoring the races Schumacher didn't finish is 'sensible' though? What if Nico had had howlers yet still finished at all the races Schumacher finished, yet won all the races that Schumacher didn't? Would that be fair to exclude all Nico's good results because those races were bad for Schumacher?

Likewise if I selected all Nico's good results and Schumacher hadn't finished half of those races, would that be fair?

What I'm saying is you can't just pick one stat and go "this proves Schumacher is better than Nico", as its just not that simple.

Saying that Schumacher is leading Nico in results 6:1 is as misleading as saying Nico is leading Schumacher 7:6. Both are just isolated stats that don't tell the full picture.
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Your the only one cherry picking stats.

You
Have to differentiate. Between performance. Sometimes pure points isnt thee best practice for that.
Disregarding races that where messed. Up by reliability or poor team pitstops is not cherry picking its trying to tease out info.

It totally depends why they don't finish in the race, if it's the drivers fault, it should be included.
 
Glaucus, I know I'm cherry picking stats. I'm doing it on purpose to prove that you can create an isolated statistic to say pretty much anything you want, to demonstrate that isolated statistics are no good on their own.

At no point have I tried to claim Nico has outperformed Schumacher this year though, so I don't understand where the 'OMG Schumacher hater' stuff is coming from? Goes back to what dannyjo22 was saying though I suppose.
 
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Skeeter said:
Glaucus, I know I'm cherry picking stats. I'm doing it on purpose to prove that you can create an isolated statistic to say pretty much anything you want, to demonstrate that isolated statistics are no good on their own.
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And your point is rubbish. Other people aren't cherry picking. Your just banging on about something no one else is discussing. You are the only one cherry picking end off. You aren't proving a point at all.
 
I never said other people were cherry picking?

This isn't about who cherry picked what anyway, its about using a single stat in an argument that goes far beyond just that stat.

Picking just those 7 races is as unfair to Schumacher as it is to Nico. How do we know that Schumacher wouldn't have won all the races he didn't finish and could be leading the championship? Those 7 races could have been Schumacher's 7 worst result.

The point I'm making has nothing to do with who or what the stats are about, its about the stats themselves.

And it clearly isn't rubbish as cobbling together a stat that put Nico above Schumacher as a way to demonstrate has got me a barrage of Schumacher hater abuse, so people clearly take note. Of course that Nico stat is rubbish, but it proves my point about how you can make an isolated stat that says anything.
 
Mr Men said:
Do you think Nico is the future for Merc?
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Yes, he has proved given the car to win he can win. He's not had a great year to be honest but neither did hamilton last year. When they provide a car good enough he can win. I like him, I don't think he's stunning but he's good enough to shade MS over 3 years.

If Nicos only average and managed that then perhaps Mercedes should look at replacing both of them ;)
 
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Picking just those 7 races is as unfair to Schumacher as it is to Nico. How do we know that Schumacher wouldn't have won all the races he didn't finish and could be leading the championship? Those 7 races could have been Schumacher's 7 worst .
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:rolleyes:

You can't guess stats. You can only go by what the results where. You can then refine them. To tease out data. Otherwise you just have the points table, which tells little.

No one has said one stat tells the full story.
But no one else is suggesting. Making up stats or cherry picking, only you.
 
So its ok to 'tease out' one drivers bad results, but not another's?

And are people getting their knickers in a twist because they think my made up Nico stat to prove my point is what I genuinely think?
 
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So its ok to 'tease out' one drivers bad results, but not another's?
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What driver. Bad. Results. No one has teased out bad results.
They have teased out reliability and team errors.

And no to the second bit. I just think you're totall confused and think something has been done that hasn't.
 
3 of those 7 non points finishes according to the list were his own fault. (I didn't make the list)

monaco - should have been on pole, rammed by grosjean and finally another failure

That's including this one ^
After all he was his fault he had a 5 place penalty ;)
 
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