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[Skeeter]

Ok, you have to be doing this on purpose now?

I'll try and explain my thought process for you in the hope that you stop going round in circles:

Arknor posted a single isolated stat that he used to argue that Schumacher was out performing Nico.
I commented that you cannot compare 2 drivers using just a single isolated stat (I never claimed this stat was invalid, cherry picked, made up, or falsified in any way, merely that is was a single stat).
I then went on to add that the reason why you cannot use a single isolated stat is because it is possible to cherry pick a stat to say anything (again, not claiming Arknor's specific stat was cherry picked, merely that is was possible to pick others).
Then, by way of demonstration of that point, I created my own stat that was cherry picked that could be used to argue that Nico had out performed Schumacher.

Wether one stat was cherry picked and the other not, and wether one point is more acurate than another is completely irrelevant, my point was that you cannot compare 2 drivers performanced against each other on a single stat alone. There was no implication as to the validity of the original fact.

Clear?

 

[Kenai]

No I get that point fine. But he is calling that stat bs. That's the point. He can't distinguish between a bs stat and a usefull stat. No ingle stat tells the whole story. I've agreed with that. What I don't agree with, his is stance on wht a bs stat is,

No he isn't?

You seem to have got confused somewhere along the line, he's said nothing of the sort, you're reading what you want to read in his posts I think.

 

[Skeeter]

Thank you Kenai

 

[dannyjo22]

Ok, you have to be doing this on purpose now?

You don't look at the rest of the forum much do you
Arguing black is white and making non arguments drag for days is kinda his thing. An expert on every thing and will argue forever. I admire his stamina.

 

[Glaucus]

You don't look at the rest of the forum much do you
Arguing black is white and making non arguments drag for days is kinda his thing. An expert on every thing and will argue forever. I admire his stamina.

X

I thik you will find thousands of threads i don't post in as it holds no interests and I know nothing on the subject.
There's is a fewi will revue about.
Technology, f1, religion & CT.
Even then I try and avoid opinion and try an argue points.

 

[Skeeter]

I am genuinely sorry to those of you who are annoyed by my arguments, but there is a growing trend of "lets lay into Skeeter" taking a higher priority than "lets actually understand what Skeeter is saying". I do think this is just a case of Glaucus misunderstanding my initial comment though.

 

[Glaucus]

I commented that you cannot compare 2 drivers using just a single isolated stat (I never claimed this stat was invalid, cherry picked, made up, or falsified in any way, merely that is was a single stat).


Clear?

Fair enough, I could have sworn, you said it was cherry picked.

 

[Skeeter]

I do think this is just a case of Glaucus misunderstanding my initial comment though.

And so it seems.

Fair enough, I could have sworn, you said it was cherry picked.

I can understand how you may have interpreted it that way too. I just hoped it would take less than 3 pages to explain what I meant though

 

[arknor]

In 3 years:

Msc 191 points
Ros 314 points

Now there's a stat

i can give you a nice stat
WDC 7
Wins 91
Podiums 155
Career points 1,560
Pole positions 68
Fastest laps 77

WDC 12
wins 180
Pole positions 152
Fastest laps 149

schmuachers only half as succesful as mclaren who are proud of winning one in 4 races

maybe mclaren should retire? is this the reason hamilton wants to leave them?

 

[Weebull]

It's too late. I've told all my friends that Skeeter hates stats.

All of the stats.

 

[Skeeter]

i can give you a nice stat
WDC 7
Wins 91
Podiums 155
Career points 1,560
Pole positions 68
Fastest laps 77

WDC 12
wins 180
Pole positions 152
Fastest laps 149

schmuachers only half as succesful as mclaren who are proud of winning one in 4 races

maybe mclaren should retire?

Lol, thats actually quite funny. Never noticed that.

I don't know if it says more about Ferrari when they didn't have Schumacher than about Schumacher himself though? Grab the details for Ferrari too, to see how much of their success is directly attributed to Schumacher.

 

[dannyjo22]

i can give you a nice stat
WDC 7
Wins 91
Podiums 155
Career points 1,560
Pole positions 68
Fastest laps 77

Null and void, Rosberg didn't finish those races

I did chuckle when I read Whitmarsh's comments, he's singing from the 1 in 4 hymn sheet now too. It's also how often Jenson get's the balance right

Anyway back to Lewis. I hear a rumour he's starting a racing team with his dad. Pollock will be running it. He's sold it to them. Hamilton Racing Team. HRT for short

 

[Mr Men]

I don't know if it says more about Ferrari when they didn't have Schumacher than about Schumacher himself though? Grab the details for Ferrari too, to see how much of their success is directly attributed to Schumacher.

Or see how much of Schumacher's success is attributed to Ferrari? Unless Schumacher done it all himself?

 

[arknor]

Lol, thats actually quite funny. Never noticed that.

I don't know if it says more about Ferrari when they didn't have Schumacher than about Schumacher himself though? Grab the details for Ferrari too, to see how much of their success is directly attributed to Schumacher.

WDC 15
Race victories 219
Pole positions 207
Fastest laps 227

schumachers almost half of ferraris to

if he starts his own team "schumacher f1" does that make him one of the most successful teams on the grid?

 

[Skeeter]

I think you would have to remove quite a few drivers from McLaren for their results to drop by half.

 

[Weebull]

The whole setup changed at Ferrari when Schumacher went there though, didn't it?

It was very much a case of everything coming together perfectly.

 

[Mr Men]

The whole setup changed at Ferrari when Schumacher went there though, didn't it?

It was very much a case of everything coming together perfectly.

Yeah complete overhaul after being in freefall and internal politics after Enzo died, signing Jean Todt was the beginning and he brought in a whole new way of working and people.

 

[Mr Men]

I think you would have to remove quite a few drivers from McLaren for their results to drop by half.

So you like stats now? nevermind that the Schumi stats include his Benetton titles and wins though

 

[Skeeter]

Yeah it was.

Its just interesting to look at Ferrari, 'the most successful team in F1', and then realise almost half of all their success in 62 years comes from one 5 year stretch.

 

[Mr Men]

Yeah it was.

Its just interesting to look at Ferrari, 'the most successful team in F1', and then realise almost half of all their success in 62 years comes from one 5 year stretch.

Almost half? thats some cherry picking