Hansen: Suarez goes down too easily
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From a moral point of view, they're the same. The consequences are obviously different and from that point of view a dive on the halfway line cannot be compared with an intentional foul in the penalty area either :/
And 90% of dives aren't in the penalty area (not by the attacking team anyway). Defenders constantly throw themselves to the ground when a striker even thinks about closing him down. Hamann and Makelele were masters of it; whenever they were in a bit of trouble they would turn into the opposition player , drop to the ground and more often than not, win a free-kick.
Had you followed his earlier posts, it was clear what he was referring to. You obviously didn't and have responded to what he said literally rather than in the context it was meant.
Maybe you should have read more of the conversation rather than just one aspect
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Had you followed his earlier posts, it was clear what he was referring to. You obviously didn't and have responded to what he said literally rather than in the context it was meant.
Maybe you should have read more of the conversation rather than just one aspect
I read the whole thing thank you, the parts I've bolded below literally can't be taken any other way. He specifically says all fouls, nothing to do with intentional or not.
I'm not the first person to point this out in this thread (see Gilly's posts earlier) Either he doesn't have a clue what he's saying or he's incapable of putting it into text.
Then you saw him explain what he meant with an example referring to intentional fouls.
With his inability to explain himself properly and your inability to understand things, no wonder you've got confused
edit: And I'm only messing around.
Seriously though: while he should have been more specific and mentioned the word intentional in his latter post, anybody commenting should really have read back through what he said. You're both to blame for the confusion.
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I don't think he was explaining himself, seems quite clear he was making two seperate points. The first, where he does give a specific example was to make a point to Gilly. Then he makes his point about fouls in general, and if you read what he actually says he can only be talking about all fouls (he obviously doesn't believe there's 20 deliberate fouls per game, or that Agger and Vidic make 5 or 6 deliberate fouls per game, he really can only be talking about fouls in general here). It takes a massive amount of reading between the lines to see anything else .
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Well if Suarez had any morals he wouldnt be diving in the first place so.....
I wasnt the one trying to make the two sound similar
The consequences are the sole reason why the majority of dives happen - so you cant really split them (I still reckon vast majority ARE in the area)
hmm 4 pages on Surez lol
The guy is a cheat and a cheat long before he joined Liverpool.
There going down when there is contact and then there bellyflopping when the nearest person is 2 foot away.
don't see how on earth anyone can defend him.
How many high profile cases of diving, biting, cheating and abusing evra has he been involed in ?
Face it he a top player but he a dirty little........
The guy is a cheat and a cheat long before he joined Liverpool.
There going down when there is contact and then there bellyflopping when the nearest person is 2 foot away.
don't see how on earth anyone can defend him.
How many high profile cases of diving, biting, cheating and abusing evra has he been involed in ?
Face it he a top player but he a dirty little........
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I do too, FWIW.
I think tbh that English isn't this guys first language now I've seen some more of his posts so leniency should be the order of the day
I will take that (to escape from the man U fans). But because i had written to much on the subject in DM's style i though it would be easeir to understand the missing of the "intentional" word.
But i forgot in hear people are not interested in the point some one is trying to make but rather a single word in one of his posts to change the topic.
Why i said 20 fouls we were all assuming that some go noticed by the ref so i had to put room for those.
And being clever and blocking a goal keeper from starting a dangerous counter attack after a corner kick because you are sure all the defenders are out of position makes you a calculative player and an experienced cheat. so in cheating terms the intention of the foul matter more than where it happens.
If he is a cheat, then so is everyone else involved in football.
(Edit - the word cheat would imply he has gotten away with something, I can't remember ever Suarez getting away with anything since he has been in England)
Fair play. Think someone made a good point in this thread that refs and the fa need to be more consistent in their game and punishments they hand out.
So.....?
What on earth has that got to do with my post you quoted?
What the **** are you going on about now? I know you weren't trying to make the two sound similar as you haven't got the capability of understanding that a defender intentionally breaking the laws of the game to gain an advantage is comparable to a striker intentionally breaking the laws of the game to gain an advantage.
And no, the majority of dives aren't in the penalty area. Maybe the majority of ones you read about in Monday's papers happen in the penalty area but if you actually watch matches you'll see defenders and midfielders "winning" (as that's how it's put if the press don't want to demonise you) free-kicks all over the place.
I think all he said regarding Drogba was that he was the best striker he'd played against, not a totally insane comment considering the damage Drogba did to Arsenal down the years (plus Drogba obviously was arguably the best striker in the world in his prime)
I remember watching blind football at the 2012 Olympics.
Some of the guys were getting their ankles hacked from miss tackles. 90% of them just had a little stumble, but kept their balance and carried on running with the ball.
It made such a huge embarrassment of professional footballers. They had to be really fouled to go down. To many soft pansies playing professional football now.
Some of the guys were getting their ankles hacked from miss tackles. 90% of them just had a little stumble, but kept their balance and carried on running with the ball.
It made such a huge embarrassment of professional footballers. They had to be really fouled to go down. To many soft pansies playing professional football now.
problem is they get such a benefit from 'being fouled'. It deprives the other team of posession, especially when you're winning and, depending on where on the pitch the alleged misdemeanour occured a potential goal scoring opportunity. Leagues should have the power to retrospectively give out bans and actually do it!
Now that Borini is out for around 3 months after aggravating his foot injury while on U21 italy duty Suarez is the only real striker Liverpool have. Play Stevie G up front? They've done it before.
Now that Borini is out for around 3 months after aggravating his foot injury while on U21 italy duty Suarez is the only real striker Liverpool have. Play Stevie G up front? They've done it before.
No it isnt, we have Morgan and Yesil who would easily be able to step in considering how Borini has played.