F.I.F.A.'s Jim Boyce is calling for diving to be stamped out of football."It's becoming like a cancer within the sport" "I don't want to mention any names but as Suarez I'm concerned, some of these Young players are going down as though they've been shot when, in reality, they've Gerrardly been touched!" said the 68 year old Irishman. "It's like they're trying to win an Oscar! Officials should have the power of retrospective action made aBaleable to them immediately if we want to see this situation gettiNani better!" he added.
Hansen: Suarez goes down too easily
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Its may be wrong to us but not to players themselves. A player may decide to bring a strike down before he enters the box its part of player and if the ref doesn't give a yellow card who do you blame the player or the Ref.
Players are not going to play and be Refs at the same time they will fight for throw in, they will waste time, they will pull each other and they will do every thing to score a goal and to not concede. Of course some will be stupid depending on which team you are supporting.
So if Suarez dives and gets punished for it or the refree doesn't give him a pen i don't see why a fan of the opposing team should spend days and days mourning about it. If a Liverpool fan is annoyed with Suarez coz of it its understandable.
If a player gets the ball in the box to stop a clear scoring chance do we label him a cheat or come mourn about it for days NO. the Ref should see him and award a pen and the game goes on.
We tend to blame players instead of refs for some decisions that's why i said if Suarez has dived and been booked or ignored by the Ref why should non LFC fan mourn about it.
If Vidic brings down Torres every time he moves past him and a free kick or Penalty is awarded why should non man U fans Mourn about Vidic for days.
Suarez is not getting anything out of his dives actually they are currently costing him why should non Lfc support be the most hurt out of this??.
Every thing that is done on the pitch by players has nothing to do with fairness and that's why we have a Ref. Every player tries to cheat his way by doing what they know best. Huth will do it by kicking anybody near him Suarez will do it by falling down every time any body gets near him and the ref is there to decide
I'm sorry I don't understand the question (if indeed it is one?)
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"A player may decide to bring down the striker just before he enters the penalty box. It's part of the game and if the ref doesn't give a yellow card, who do you blame? The player or the ref?"
I don't see how that is at all relevant but there we go.
I don't see how that is at all relevant but there we go.
Well that's what I read, but figured I got it wrong because it didn't make any sense in the context of the thread.
Ho hum
the relevance is simple. IT and Diving are fouls in football match and every player is free to do it as match as they can and its the work of the ref to deal with such fouls.
So instead of calling on Suarez to stop diving and going down so easily why don't you call on the Refs to deal with it. It is like any other mistake in the game. If he is punished for it then justices has been done and no mourning should follow after that.
If the ref fails to see it and award him a pen then mourn about the incompetence of the ref other than the player that benefited.
One of the issues is that referees need to be made more accountable for their actions. If I made as many mistakes as modern days referees do I wouldn't be in my job for very long, and I don't earn even half of a premier league referee's salary of £70,000.
I do agree with that, but there is a balance. Just because someone makes a major mistake in a game doesn't mean he should be relegated to lower divisions. He could still be the best man for the job.
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Are they making mistakes? Or is their job impossible to do as accurately as fans demand?
its a tough job they only get a to see the act from afar and for second or two, then make a decision a few seconds later.
Mistakes are going to happen, alright for us to say its a free kick or dive ect, when we have the benefit of instant replays, and different camera angles.
Mistakes are going to happen, alright for us to say its a free kick or dive ect, when we have the benefit of instant replays, and different camera angles.
Newbie007 has said exactly what we need. Instead of us wasting time begging players to give as a clean game which they won't btw. Why not make refs accountable and empower them. hard tackles, diving, hand ball and all other form of cheating are not going to go away if refs are not held accountable.
It makes no sense every one in the world complaining about Suarez diving while for every ten EPL played every week there is at least one Pen got out of Diving. I would prefer watching 10 dives by the same player in one game and all being seen and ignored or punished by the ref than see one dive of a player with a better reputation earning him a pen.
One dive that a player benefits from is far worse than ten dives that earns a player nothing other than yellow cards for himself.
It makes no sense every one in the world complaining about Suarez diving while for every ten EPL played every week there is at least one Pen got out of Diving. I would prefer watching 10 dives by the same player in one game and all being seen and ignored or punished by the ref than see one dive of a player with a better reputation earning him a pen.
One dive that a player benefits from is far worse than ten dives that earns a player nothing other than yellow cards for himself.
Its not just mistakes regarding dives or penalty decisions. Take the stoke game as an example (Suarez dive aside), Mason's refereeing display was atrocious, now we know they ended up with 6 yellows but with the constent fouling from the get go they should have been down to 9, maybe less.
It's all well and good having a referee keep his cards in his pockets blah blah, but I'm pretty tired of this meaning a team of kickers having carte blanche to go beyond whats acceptable in the modern 'physical' game.
Weak refereeing has no place today, especially when the prize (so to speak) is so great. Major decisions need video reviews, its not like they it takes minutes these days either to review an incident. Set a time frame, 30 seconds or so, if a concensus can't be reached you give the benefit of the doubt to the person under review.
It's all well and good having a referee keep his cards in his pockets blah blah, but I'm pretty tired of this meaning a team of kickers having carte blanche to go beyond whats acceptable in the modern 'physical' game.
Weak refereeing has no place today, especially when the prize (so to speak) is so great. Major decisions need video reviews, its not like they it takes minutes these days either to review an incident. Set a time frame, 30 seconds or so, if a concensus can't be reached you give the benefit of the doubt to the person under review.
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That's why i asked you a question that you guys said it had no relevance. Saying its ok i meant it is and will always be part of the game like any other mistakes that i highlighted but i wasn't saying it right that's why i said the ref should be there to punish it.
And if the ref doesn't see it or punish it it will join all the other mistakes that went unnoticed that doesn't mean it won't be unfortunate. Any yes its not a players fault if he dives and the ref doesn't see it. Its the refs fault.
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...no it's the players fault. He's cheating scum.
Glad to see you feel the same as the rest of us about Young, Wellbeck, Rooney etc
Eduardo also dived when playing Celtic in a CL qualifier. He was rightly panned for it. And gave us an excuse to complain even though Arsenal were a lot better
Some shocking dives by players over the last couple of weeks though, thought Bale's was horrendous.